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Minutes: Committee of the Whole
Thursday, July 13, 1989
5:00 - 6:00 P.M.
City Counc i l Conference Room
City & County Building
Room 325
451 South State Street.
Sall; Lake City, Utah 84111
In Attendance: Florence Bit.t.ner, Wayne Horrocks, Sydney Fonnesbeck, Alan
Hardman, Tom Godfrey, Roselyn Kirk, W. M. "Willie" Stoler, Cindy Gust-Jenson,
Lee King, Cam Caldwell, Ed Snow, James Hall, Allen Johnson, Rosemary Davis,
Sgt.. Mac Cannoll.e, Mayor Palmer DePaulis, Press
1. Mr. . Allen Johnson, Director of Planning and Zoning, reviewed the
petition submitted by the owners of the Deja Vc_z Restaurant requesting that the
ordinance controlling the number of private clubs and Class "C" taverns be
changed to allow more than two such businesses per block face. He said that
the owners of the restaurant purchased the building while i.t was being used as
a private club, which the owners intended to continue. Mr. Johnson said that
the private club was a nonconforming use and when the building changed
ownership and the new license was applied for, it was turned down because of
the existence of two such business on that block face. He said that the owner
then applied for a bottled beer license and opened the establishment, as a
restaurant., and began lobbying the City to change the ordinance.
Mr. Johnson said that the petition was filed with the Treasurers office who
turned it over to planning without a decision. Planning and zoning developed
several options for changing the ordinance and the Planning Commission
recommended amending the ordinance.
Mr. Johnson said that the c_.urrent ordinance allowed a total of two private
clubs or Class "C" taverns on a block face with three more allowed on the
interior of a block with a bisecting internal street. Mr. Johnson said that
the change would allow a third club t.o be located on the block face on blocks
with no bisecting internal streets. He said that this law only effected the
downtown area, C-3 and C-4 zones.
Council Member Wayne Horrocks said that he was concerned with having the
possibility of nine taverns on one city block. Council Member W.M. "Willie"
Stoler asked how many blocks in the effected area had no bisecting streets.
Mr. Johnson said that there were 15. He said that the original law controlled
the total number of taverns and clubs in the area but that the law had been
changed to control the concentration of such businesses. He said that the
police felt that concentration control was a valid way to mitigate problems
brought on by the businesses.
Council Member Florence Bitt.ner asked if the ordinance was going t.o be changed
because of one person. Mr. Johnson said that the proposed change was due to
the petition filed by the owners of the club. He said that the nature of
private clubs had changed over the years and that the Class "C" taverns now
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gave the police the most. problems. Mrs. Bit.t.ner said that she didn't see the
need to change the ordinance for one business. Mr. Horrocks said ► hai:. he was
worried aboout getting more taverns in the downtown and that developers have
spoken to him with similar concerns.
Council Member Roselyn Kirk said that they should consider making the change
because the owner worked with the City for over a year. Mrs. Bitt.ner said
that she didn't think that the change would help the City. Council Member
Alan Hardman asked why the owners of the Cabanna and the Manhattan clubs
opposed the change in the ordinance, Mr, Johnson said that it appeared t.o be
mainly due to a desire to protect their business.
Mayor Palmer DePaulis asked why the owners invested before obtaining the
permits to operate as a private club. Mr. Johnson said that it was due to the
owner not being aware of City requirements. Mr. Johnson said that the owner
thought that a private club was permitted at that location and that he had
checked with planning over the phone but never got the details. Mr. Johnson
said that the Deja Vu could operate as a restaurant.
Mr. Stoler said that the original process t.o change the ordinance was a long
process and that the police had agreed to patrol the increased number of clubs
if they were restricted t.o the ground floor. Mr. Johnson said that. the
Planning Commission had looked at the change in view of the master plan and
the R/UDAT study and the need t.o open up the downtown night life in Salt Lake.
He said that. the Planning Commission saw a difference between taverns and
private clubs. Mr. Godfrey said that there was a difference between the
tavern where people go just to drink and a private club which is a more social
atmosphere with less hard drinking. Ms. Kirk said that Salt Lake has been
trying to encourage downtown development and that the Council shouldn't go
against the trend. She said that she thought. the Council should be more
flexible and that she felt the ordinance change was well thought out. Mr.
Hardman asked if the change had been reviewed by the R/UDAT committee. Mr.
Johnson said that it had not.
Ms. Bit.t.ner asked if the new ordinance separated private clubs from taverns.
Mr. Johnson said that it did not but that the difference could be put in if
the Council wanted. Mr. Stoler said that the Council would like to see the
separation made. Mr. Johnson said that he would have a new version of the
ordinance drafted for the Council "s review.
2. Mr. Cam Caldwell, Council Budget Analyst, reviewed changes to the Lost
and Recovered property laws which gives the Chief of Police the discretion t.o
donate recovered bicycles to certified charities. He said that. the State law
governing disposal of recovered property had been changed.
Mr. Godfrey asked how much money is raised from selling the bicycles. Mr.
Caldwell said that the Police auctions raised approximately $25,000 - 30,000
per year and that 60% of that was from bicycle sales.
Mr. Stoler said t.hat he was concerned that giving the bikes away could take
away bikes from those least able to afford them.
Mr. Stoler said that he was concerned that donating the bikes to charity would
make it hard for the low income children to buy a bike through the Police
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auction. Sgt. Mac Cannolle said that. the Police thought that a donation of
five bikes per charity per year was a good number to start with but that five
had been chosen arbitrarily as a place to start. Ms. Gust-Jenson said that
the number of bikes donated could be capped at a specific number or limited to
a percentage of bikes on hand at the time of the auction. Ms. Bitt.ner said
that she agreed with capping the number of bikes given away. Mr. Godfrey said
that he agreed that the Police should hold some back for the auction and
donate some. Mr. Stoler said that. the Council would just have to set the
number and see how things work out. He said that he would support donating
five bikes per charity per year. . The rest of the Council agreed that.
5/year/charity would be a good palace to start.. Ms. Gust-Jenson said that the
nu.rmber could be changed if problems arose.
3. Ms. Cindy Gust.—Jenson asked the Council to give the Staff direction as to
which department the Council wanted to target for auditing in the Coming year.
She said she was assuming that. the Council was still holding the audit of the
dispatch operation as the number one priority. She said that the Council had
indicated earlier that they were interested in also doing a management audit.
of Administrative Services. She asked the Council if that was still the
preference since Administrative Services had been consolidated with Human
Resources. She said that if Administrative Services was chosen they could do
a genera] audit or a divisional audit. She said that the budget held enough
money to do one general management audit or two detailed division audits.
Ms. Kirk said that with Administrative Services having been moved, she would
favor delaying that audit until things had time to settle and that. the Council
could do Public Works which was the number two choice of the Council at the
last. retreat.. Ms. Gust.-Jenson said. that the Director of Human Resources had.
not requested a delay in the audit.,
Ms. Bittner said that she would like to see an audit. of Data Processing.
Mr. Godfrey said that he didn't want t.o do Fleet. Division again. Mr. Hardman
said that he would like to see a management audit of the combined Human
Resources/Administrative Services t.o see how things are working. Ms. Gust.-
Jenson said that the budget could likely handle a general audit of the entire
department with a more detailed audit. of Data Processing.
Mr. Godfrey asked if leaving Fleet out of the Audit would allow for a detai led
audit of Data Processing. Mr. Caldwell said that .it probably wouldn't but
that. the Council could spread. the audit over two fiscal years. Ms. Kirk said
that she would support a general audit. of Human Resources & Administrative
Services with a detailed follow up audit of Data Processing. The rest of the
Council agreed.
Ms. Gust--Jenson said that the staff also needed direction for internal audits
to be done by the Council staff. She asked the Council Members t.o submit a
list of five or more audit targets for discussion. The staff would ►:.hen
develop a listing of ideas for Council consideration.
The meeting adjourned.
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S i caned
W.M. "W . i e" Stole., Council. Chair
Attested by; -Ka , y ar _ 1, City Recorder