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Fw: Myth-Defying Comments on Housing-2 min. version
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cindy cromer <3cinslc@live.com>
To : cindy gmail <cindy.c.cromer@gmail.com>
Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:11 PM
My comments tonight are about the myths which have been circulating in this building regarding
housing. My rebuttals are based on 45 years of experience as a landlord and property manager
and on the work of some well-known economists. They are Myth-Defying.
Myth #1 Landlords are motivated primarily by rental income. Rebuttal: Some of them clearly
are, but it is false that the City only needs to look at rental income in determining whether a
property owner will demolish an existing building and displace tenants into a challenging housing
market. I have 2 primary motivations to be a landlord, one is fairly unique and the other very
common. Neither of them is driven by rental income.
Myth #2 That creating more market-rate housing makes other housing more affordable. The
issue is complicated; more market rate housing only reduces the rent at market rate housing in
close proximity. In other words, we are dealing with apples and oranges. If you increase the
number of apples, apples in that particular location become slightly less expensive. Oranges are
the same price or higher as they were before you increased the number of apples. The current
price of market rate housing just makes my units more valuable because I have oranges; my
tenants don't aspire to pay for apples. They can't.
Myth #3 That the Good Landlord program is accomplishing what was intended There are
committed City employees working in housing inspection and business licensing, but the truth is
that the program was based on one in Ogden which most landlords know is a completely
different market.
Myth #4 That the zoning ordinance is the problem Citing the ordinance is a clever move because
NOBODY wants to talk about the language in ordinances. People would rather assume that you
are correct in saying the ordinance is the problem. It is also a reasonable approach with respect
to the housing puzzle to blame the zoning ordinance because we have a talented Planning staff
to deal with it. But there are problems outside the zoning ordinance and we are ignoring them.
And the issues we are ignoring are expensive for the City: homelessness, housing loss, and
displacement.
The impact of these 4 myths on our housing puzzle is like turning the pieces over and trying to
assemble the puzzle backwards.
Comments ·Pulled 02/18/2020
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2/12/2020 11:20 IFF: Foothill Trails !Emily Coonrod
Masterplan
2/12/2020 11:23 IFF: Foothill Trails IJohn Knoblock
Masterplan
2/18/2020 1:43 PM
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Dear City Council, As a member of District 6, an employee of ARUP Laboratories in research park, and as an avid
mountain biker, I urge you to accept the Foothill Trail System Plan. I have been mountain biking in the foothills
between the zoo and north salt lake since 2003. It is one of the things that makes living in Salt Lake City so
fantastic. The fact that the trails here are dry much earlier in the spring and later in the fall than those in Park City
and other areas in town means that the community can use these trails for fitness, recreation, and stress relief for
months when there are no other trails available in the region. This certainly also leads to high traffic, high trail
congestion, and at times unsafe conditions. This Foothill Trail System seems to have taken a lot of different users'
needs into account. I am personally very excited about the idea of purpose-built, directional mountain bike trails.
With the burgeoning popularity ofthe sport, particularly with the addition of many, many high school mtb teams in
the past few years, there is a great need for the community to be able to spread out to safely enjoy this beautiful
area on bikes. My experience with directional trails has been very positive and I appreciate the inclusion of this
strategy in the new plan. Please consider approving this plan. With thanks, Emily Coonrod, Ph.D.
Salt Lake City Council Members-Thank you very much for your previous support for Lewis Kogan and his team
working on the SLC Foothills Trails Masterplan. Please continue that support by approving the Trails Masterplan
and subsequently ensuring that there is sufficient funding moving forward. The SLC foothills are a great and
necessary recreational resource. Exercising outdoors and connecting with nature is very important for people's
physical and mental health . Unfortunately, the Bonneville Shoreline Trail and Ensign Peak Trail are the only
designed and purpose-built trails in the SLC foothills. Essentially all of the other existing trails are user-created trails
that were not built in an environmentally sustainable way. The result is a spiderweb of erosive and excessively
steep trails. The high use of these popular trails also is creating user conflicts and this is getting worse every year.
More trails are needed. The solution is to implement a trail system that is professionally designed and built. Erosive
trails should be closed and revegetated as appropriate. That is exactly what the SLC Trails and Natural Areas Team
is proposing and they need your support. Please vote in favor of adopting the Foothills Trails Masterplan. Thank
you very much.
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2/12/2020 12:39 FF: Foothill Trails Deanna Nunley We walk our dogs down behind the church area along 18th avenue. Almost no one keeps their dogs on leashes
Masterplan when out walking in this area . It has heavily been policed lately. Many dog owners comply only for the situation ,
then take their dogs off of leases again . I understand this is a watershed area, and it may make this idea complet e ly
not possible. But what people are wondering, is if there can be a compromise like in other parks where they ru n o n
odd and even days to have dogs leashed and unleashed, thus giving fairness to those that enjoy walking either w ith
their dogs on leashes or off.
2/12/2020 12:41 FF: Foothill Trails David Wiehe Hello Chris Warton I live at in your district, three. I would like to support an alternate day on/off leash schedule f o r
Masterplan the BST above 18th avenue that connects into City Creek Canyon (below watershed) and extends east to behin d
Red Butte Garden. When will there be an opportunity to begin exploring support for a change like this to ensu r e
pets are able to enjoy the trails, off leash?
2/18/2020 12:15 FF: Foothill Trails Igor Best-Devereux Dear Mr. Chairman and City Council Members Re: Draft Foothills Trail System Master Plan I have just become
Masterplan aware of the draft proposal for the Salt Lake City Foothills Trail System Master Plan. As I understand an Ordina n ce
relating to this subject is on the agenda for the City Council meeting this eve n ing I would like to comment on be half
of the North Cove Estates Homeowners Association . North Cove Estates is a private community at the top of East
Capitol. The Home Owners Association has two principal concerns regarding the proposal shown on the City Cree k
Trails map found at
http://www .slcdocs .com/ openspace/Footh iii%20Tra i I%20System%20Pia n/City%20Creek%20T ra ils%20Ma p. pd f 1)
The Map shows what is labeled as an existing trail (partly obscured by picture ) leading from North Cove private
property to the shoreline trail. We believe this is an error. Our understanding is that the map misidentifies a utilit y
access road as part of the trail. Showing this on the map invites trail users to unwittingly trespass on North Cove
private property because it appears to show a trail head accessible from the private road. Implying that trail use rs
can enter or exit at the utility access road has implications for North Cove property owners including road safety,
liability and trail users expecting to be allowed access through a private community. *Continued Below*
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2/18/2020 12:15 FF: Foothill Trails Igor Best-Devereux *Continued Above* 2) The proposed new trail between the existing City Creek Canyon trail and the eastern edge of
Masterplan North Cove property represents increased fire risk to homes in North Cove. The Homeowners Association has
previously met with the City Fi r e Department to review wild fire danger and the challenges presented in trying to
contain a fire that starts on the side of City Creek Canyon. We ask that, before taking any action, the City Council
consider the increased fire danger that will arise from a new trail in the proposed location . This fire danger will
result from both trail users and illegal campers. What is not immediately apparent on the map is the extensive dry
combustible fuel , including scrub oak, below the level of homes on Canyon Oaks way. Unfortunately, I am not able
to attend the meeting this evening but ask that the City Council consider the points above and delay any decision
on the proposed ordinance to f ully investigate these matters and give residents of North Cove an opportunity to
protect the security of our property from trespass and wild fire risks . Sincerely For North Cove Estates Homeowners
Association Igor Best-Devereux President.
2/18/2020 12 :16 FF : Foothill Trails Erik Kish -Trier Dear SLC Council, First, thanks so much for making this happen. I am a SLC resident and work in Research Park near
Masterplan the BST. I used to utilize the BST and associated trails much more, but congestion has damped my enthusiasm in
the last few years. I now t r avel to the well tended trail systems of Park City, Draper, and even Eagle Mountain .
Many of the online comments echo my sentiments, but here are some points I hope you will keep in mind : Building
in a maintenance plan will be critical, I highly support the creation of a foothills ranger(s) position . I do not think
dogs will need special treatme nt with respect to leash requirements, special days, etc .. With the reduced
congestion, it is likely conflicts will be reduced. Please keep the regulations as simple as possible to promote
compliance. When you need to control bike speeds, do so with strategic trail building . Use a professional building
group (ask Draper). Please do not sanitize the existing trails. Make them sustainable, but leave a challenge . Again,
many thanks! Erik
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2/18/2020 12:30 FF: Foothill Trails CJ Whittaker Hi Chis, I've been hiking and riding the foothills trails for over 30 years. I've worked in the outdoor industry in Utah
Masterplan for over 15 years, I even founded an outdoor company in SLC named Cotopaxi. Last year I summited Mount Van
Cott and Mount Wire about 35 times. This land is very special to me and the way we manage our public lands is
crucial to our city. It's unfortunate that the city has such a damaging plan for our local hills. I oppose the city's
Foothill Trails Masterplan for the following reasons: 1. the city's plan will impose permanent damage and scars on
our city's most iconic mountains by cutting large 4-foot wide trails into open faces. These will be more prone to soi l
creep and erosion than current trails . 2. The city's pan will encourage more illegal trail expansion by giving
mountain bikers easy access to more off-trail riding. The city's plan considered the intimations off riders but not
their behavior. Mountain biking today is all about off-trial riding; taking an easy trail to the summit and riding
straight down open faces . This is exactly what the city's plan will lead to. 3. The city only plans on appropriating a
half million a year to manage 40+ miles of NEW trails. Even if this amount is perpetually funded, I don't believe they
can manage an additional40+ miles of trails. The BLM and the Forest Service would have a hard time with over 50
years more experience and tens of millions more in funding . The city has done a terrible job of managing these
trails which leads me to believe they couldn't manage more. 4 . The plan ignores other mountain areas that have
prime trail development potential which would relive the burden ofthe existing foothills trail system. Thanks for
listening,
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2/18/2020 12 :32 FF: Foothill Trails David Simmons This voice mail is from David Simmons who is a resident of the Federal Pointe neighborhood and part of the Federal
Masterplan Pointe Homeowners Association . Mr. Simmons called to express his support and concerns about the Foothills Trail
System Master Plan. He stated in the message he hopes to have some of his neighbors come to speak at the Public
Hearing on Tuesday, February 18th. I called Mr. Simmons on the phone to talk with him about the concerns he had .
He first wanted to emphasize he, and likely many of his neighbors, are very supportive with the City implementing a
Foothills Trail System Master Plan. He believes the City's trail network will greatly benefit from having a master
plan. Below are Mr. Simmons other main points: Mr. Simmons hopes the master plan addresses bike usage on the
trails near Popperton Park . He is concerned about soil erosion here and would like to ensure the land here is not
further damaged. Mr. Simmons is concerned the property owners who this master plan would affect, such as in the
Federal Pointe development, were not notified this plan was in the works earlier. Mr. Simmons states this plan was
only recently brought to his attention and he would have appreciated an earlier notification this was being drafted .
Mr. Simmons stated there are many trail networks that abut right along property lines of residents . He worries
about the impacts the trails will have on those properties and also worries about the enjoyment ofthose trails if
they are right up next to p r ivate homes.
2/18/2020 12:33 FF: Foothill Trails Julie Roberts-Morris I have lived in the Avenues since 1992 . I have been hiking with several generations of Labs off leash, but under
Masterplan voice control at the I Street access to the Bonneville Shoreline Trail since then. The area has been extremely
popular over the years for ma ny local dog owners . The area is convenient to many of us who live in the Avenues
and own dogs who require a good run daily. I was shocked this past Sunday to be stopped by an Animal Control
Officer (who was very polite) and t old that my dogs had to be on leash for the entire trail. In the nearly 30 years I've
been using this trail, there have been fewer than 5 episodes of conflict with other dogs or hikers/bikers. Dog
owners who use this area are polite, friendly and conscientious about their animals. For a city the size of Salt Lake ,
there is an embarrassing lack of dog friendly trails . The very nice AC officer pointed out that Mill Creek canyon is an
off leash area. That is a good 40 minute drive one way for me. The concentration of dogs in that canyon on dog
days is unpleasant. There needs to be more off leash areas . Lindsey Gardens off leash area is too small. If there are
complaints from non dog owners, designating this as an off leash area would give them fair warning to go
elsewhere . By far the highest number of people using this trail do so with their dogs off leash. Short of achieving a
dedicated off leash area, could it be designated off leash on alternating days as a compromise? Thanks you, Julie
Roberts Julie Roberts-Morris, MD
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2/18/2020 12:34 FF: Foothill Trails Carleton DeTar Hi Chris, The trail master-plan website does not play well with my Safari browser, so I can't submit comments o r
Masterplan indicate support there. (I won't be attending the Tuesday hearing because I will instead be in a planning meeting
for an upcoming Avenues Emergency Preparedness fair.) So I hope you don't mind this e-mail instead ... 1. We
support the trail plan enthusiastically. 2. We are daily pedestrian users (with dogs) on a segment of the trail nea r
our home. We hope that trails near residential areas will favor traditional mixed use. 3. My concerns are with
erosion caused mostly by mountain bike use. a. Over the past several years we have watched a section of the
Bonneville Shoreline Trail widen from a narrow auto track to 50 feet as bikes have gradually turned the origina l
vegetated hillside soil into a coarse gravel slope. I'm sure there are other sections needing similar attention. So the
plan needs to include a mechanism for restricting trail corridors where there are no obvious boundaries and
stabilizing the track where the soils turn into coarse gravel with heavy traffic . b. Over the past several years, we
have watched the trails deepen with erosion and runoff, exposing tree roots and rocks. So the plan needs to
include continual maintenance. (We have volunteered with BST crews to help create runoff channels, but recurrin g
professional help is still needed to restore trail surfaces in places.) 4. I couldn't tell from the map, because overla ys
obscured it, but in earlier plans there was a bike trail that descends to a secondary access point on 11th Avenue
above the City Cemetery. This location has recently been discovered by bikers, who have brought a steady showe r
of rocks onto 11th Avenue and the urban bike lane, creating a hazard for road bikes like mine and for autos. lft his
is really going to be a trail access point, there needs to be a plan for frequently clearing this debris. Than you ,
Carleton DeTar
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Salt Lake City Parks' Foothill Trails Master Plan
North Salt Lake to Emigration Canyon
7:00PM · February 18, 2020 · City & County Building room 315
Hello everyone, my name is Elliott .
I'm here to support the Foothill Trails Master Plan . There are four reasons for my
support.
First, as an outdoor enthusiast . Trails provide access to natural lands and
leverage opportunities to engage in host of healthy, wholesome outdoor
recreation and fitness activities . This connectivity with nature contributes to my
quality of life .
Second, I'm a longtime volunteer organizer of open call group events, mostly for
nonprofit groups and outdoor clubs. Over the years I've organized over 900 of
these (944 through 2-17 -2020) to include many in Salt Lake City on foothill trails . In
addition, I've led hundreds of bike rides on City streets, and dozens of kayak
tours on the Jordan River Water Trail.
From this perspective I see user concerns. Applicable to this plan, there are three
recurring conflicts I observe on foothill trails: 1) Off lease dogs traumatizing trail
users; 2) Errant bicyclists blasting down trails indifferent to other trail users; and 3)
Homeowner conflicts at trail access points. A Master Plan provides a foundation
to address these issues. It will provide for signage defining codes of conduct and
user etiquette, make allowance for a ranger program, separate conflicting user
groups where appropriate, close down maverick trails , and fast track trailhead
development minimizing homeowner conflicts, among other benefits.
Third, as an urban planning graduate . I identify master plans as guiding
documents so the City can address the aforementioned user conflicts, maintain
and improve existing trails, construct new trails, and address the infestation of
invasive nuisance weeds, among other things . Furthermore, master plans
function as important governance documents necessary to trigger the funding
cycle . As such , the plan provides the Parks Department with a road map going
forward .
Forth, as chair of the PNUT advisory board . From this perspective I can report the
dialogue I witness is that the general public highly values its trails and wants
more, that the general public highly values its natural lands and seeks
preservation where ever possible. The PNUT board voted unanimously to support
the trails plan discussed here tonight.
To conclude, from these many perspectives and as chair of the City's Parks ,
Natural Lands, Urban Forestry and Trails Advisory Boa rd, I respectfully request the
Council support of the plan Lewis is presenting here tonight .
Thank you! This concludes my comments .
Respectfully Submitted,
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What should the Council consider when reviewing the draft plan?
Individual Registered Statements
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inside Council District 3
February 5 , 2020, 2:03PM
Please remember that these trails, especially the area from
Morrison Reservoir over to Little Black , are very well used
and loved by walkers and runners . Often this includes
children, the elderly, and dogs . For safety and enjoyment
of all , please try to keep the trails that are located just
north of the Avenues safe for pedestrians by directing
most of the bike traffic to other parts of the Foothills
System. Any bike trails that exist in this area, especially
those with downh ill traffic(!) should be separated from
walking trails to keep us all safe .
3 Supporters
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outside Salt Lake City Council Districts
February 5 , 2020, 3:23PM
Thank you for adding more directional bike trails to a part
of the valley that desperately needs more! The valley's
population of bikers is growing every year , and I hope that
this trail system can grow and evolve into the kind of model
multi-use open space we see in Park City , Draper , and
other communities . It'd be fantastic to not have to drive 30
minutes or more to access a trail system where riders of all
abilities can progress their skills on purpose-built bike
trails . With thoughtful trail design, bikers , hikers, and other
trail users of all ages can enjoy this beautiful area together.
4 Supporters
Bennion Archer
inside Council District 4
February 5, 2020, 4 :15PM
Dedicated use trails and informative signage make
everyone safe and happy, operating from a shared
understanding of trail usage and expectations. I'm excited
to see my home become the premiere Mountain Biking
Area it has been, and to no longer be out shined by Draper
and Park City . It's great to see all the feedback and surveys
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over the years bearing fruit. Looking foreword to this
initiative with my full support.
2 Supporters
Nicole Potts
inside Council District 3
February 6 , 2020, 9:08AM
Something that should be considered is a large group of
people who mountain bike with their dogs, including myself
and my family. There is no official trail system where we
can bike and run our dogs off leash . It is unsafe for us to
bike with the dog on leash not only for ourselves , but
others as well. We request that you consider making the
trail head system above the high avenues a designated site
for off leash dogs and biking to accommodate a space for
people like myself. This area already has lots of bike traffic
with off leash dogs and I feel that it works well for the
community. That being said dogs off leash should not be
allowed in the bike park section, but all other trails it
should. Obviously you have many sides , including sides
who want to have only biking or only off leash dogs . I ask
that you consider that Millcreek canyon already has this,
but again there is no location to bike with your dog off
leash . If necessary, at the very least, consider
implementing an every other day protocol at the avenues
trail head where on odd days bikers with off leash dogs are
allowed .
Kirk Nichols
inside Council District 3
February 6, 2020, 9 :58AM
Kirk Nichols , Districts one and six
Plan for a diversity of users and activities:
Historic use, walkers and runners came before mechanized
users . First does not mean better, but it does mean these
people have been disenfranchised from their former
peaceful contemplative activity.
Casual users need to be remembered and included in
planning . This can be difficult. The fewer in number, but
often more politically active, elite and athletic users often
over-shadow the more common but less involved casual
users at meetings and with other forms of public input.
Conflicts between mechanized and not-mechanized users
need to be managed through different trails, education ,
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Foothills Trail System Master Plan
What should the Council consider when reviewing the draft plan?
regulations, and enforcement. including speed limits on
multi-use trails.
No off-leash dogs which is a state law! (I 've be bitten twice
on my Achille's tendons, drawing blood, while on the BST).
by social transport (Uber , Lyft. taxi)
Consider employing a NEPA specialist for permitting and
grants from the federal government
Thank-you for this opportunity for comment!
Consider signage for education, ethical use, and directions . 2 Supporters
Environmental effects:
Consider the effects of trail users on water quality. Plan for
proper drainage . Adjust for different soil types. Consider
maintaining lower gradients to reduce skidding and soil
dislodgement. When appropriate use trail hardening
materials and methods. Manage the distribution of users
to avoid more sensitive areas . Investigate modern trail
designs and organizations with experience in modern
techniques.
Consider effects on wildlife such as birthing mortality in
the constant presence of humans .
Recognize that human activity changes the native
vegetation mix through the introduction of invasive
species, through de-vegetation, and through altering the
activities of the native fauna .
Federal law requires that you consider the effects that the
trails and users will have on threatened and endangered
species of both plants and animals .
Effects on antiquities :
There are still a few locations with early settler's locations
and artifacts , e.g . as found along the City Creek trail and
the kilns in Avenues .
Consider protecting the Native American sites such as the
rock art site near the Mount Olympus trail head .
Protect and create new Access:
Public spaces are held by the various levels of government
in Public Trust for the people . Providing access to the
public trust areas is the job of the government leaders .
Always consider adjacent land owners , and don 't let one or
two adjacent private owners rule over the public domain
either .
Emphasize Regional connections to additional trail
systems outside of Salt Lake county and especially
consider connections to Forest Service trails
Access preserve and create more trailheads.
Focus on a system that can be maintained rather than
building out a system that gets out of sort and degrades
the environment.
In addition to more access points to the public system,
create or maintain low impact parking and public
transportation . Encourage ride sharing including drop-off
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Jennifer Shaw
inside Council District 3
February 6 , 2020, 10:20 AM
Please note that erosion has increased exponentially with
increasing bike traffic, and trails that have formerly been 2
ft wide are now 8-10 feet wide, with two or three extra
tracks forming to the sides of the main trail in response to
mud . I would like to see some measures, like those in the
Park City trail system , that restrict bike traffic during
certain times of the year (late winter/early spring?) in
order to reduce this problem .
1 Supporter
Name not shown
inside Council District 5
February 6, 2020, 11:00 AM
Please , please consider designating a segment of the
shoreline trail or general area within the foothills for off-
leash dogs . Many members of this community, myself
included, place great value on having a place to take our
dogs to run freely . At this point , Millcreek Canyon is the
best, and arguably, the only option for hiking or trail
running with dogs off leash, and only on odd numbered
days . The only conflicts I have had with my dog have been
with bikers riding way too fast in an area on the shoreline
trail known to be crowded with , not only dogs, but also
families , children , and trail runners . Other than designating
an off-leash area in the foothills, I also suggest identifying
specific trails for off-leash use/hiking only and not for
biking (and vis versa) to reduce these conflicts . In general,
dog owners, mountain bikers , and all users need better
education on proper etiquette to avoid user conflict.
protect wildlife, and maintain ecological health of the
foothills.
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Foothills Trail System Master Plan
What should the Council consider when reviewing the draft plan?
February 6, 2020 , 3:07PM
Thank you for the City's efforts in developing a much-
needed trails plan . Salt Lake City has incredible natural
resources for trails systems, but those resources have
been neglected, and as a result the City is behind other
places like Draper, Herriman , Alpine, Boise, and other
municipalities who are either beginning or are deep into
formal trail construction.
I fully support the City's plan, and I also support
significantly expanding upon the proposed plan. My only
reservation is the north end of the plan, near North Salt
Lake . Those trails are not easily accessible from Salt Lake
City, but are easily accessed from North Salt Lake and will
be heavily used by residents from North Salt Lake ,
Bountiful, and other South Davis County residents (I say
this as a former Davis County resident who has many
family and friends who live in North Salt Lake). I do not
necessarily have a problem with that. but I would prefer to
see my tax dollars going toward trails and trail heads for the
section between City Creek Canyon and Emigration
Canyon, where the primary users will be City residents . I
therefore ask that the trails and facilities from City Creek
to Emigration Canyons be prioritized and that the trails and
facilities at the north end of the City be saved for last.
Thank you very much .
3 Supporters
Shane Graham
inside Council District 5
February 6, 2020, 5:38PM
This is long overdue , and I'm excited at the prospect of the
BST becoming the hub of a giant biking network. I approve
of everything I see in the plan: lots of access points , careful
thought into how to balance all users' needs, new
trail heads with parking and facilities (though I still wonder
if there will be enough parking for a busy Saturday morning
once demand ramps up). Now if you can just convince UTA
to run regular buses to the trail heads ...
3 Supporters
Amanda lambert
inside Council District 6
February 7, 2020, 3 :54PM
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I am very excited about the proposed addition to new trails
in the Foothill area. My concerns are enforcement of one
way biking trails since current leash laws are not enforced
at all . Designated bike days or trails might be good idea to
address safety concerns with walkers and hikers .
Traci Thompson
inside Council District 6
February 9 , 2020, 8:47AM
I am a Salt Lake City resident and a volunteer coach for a
mountain bike team at a local title 1 school. Thew Salt Lake
Center for Science Education mountain bike team rides
together in the Spring, summer and fall . We have riders
ranging in age from 7th to 12th grade. Riders and their
parents love the physical and mental benefits that come
from being physically active outdoors. We try to ride trails
close to Salt Lake City to minimize our contribution to the
air pollution . This generally puts us on the Bonneville
Shoreline Trail. This amazing trail is used by
walkers/hikers , dog walkers , trail runners and other
mountain bikers . We are lucky to have it, but it can be
really congested .
I fully support the new trail proposals and hope this is just
the beginning of an effort to provide opportunities for
outdoor recreation in our area . Single use and directional
trails will improve the safety and overall experience for all
trail users.
2 Supporters
Chris Olsen
inside Council District 7
February 11, 2020 , 2 :28PM
First comment is on public safety! I often see tourists
hiking UP the SLC Bobsled trail or less often folks walking
their dogs UP the SLC Bobsled . There is no signage to alert
anyone that DH bikers are flying down that route and
around blind corners. A serious collision is very likely. The
out of town tourists that I have approached (back in the OR
Show days) think it is a hiking trail. The development plan
is geographically phased to start north and work south yet
I think some warning signs on this particular trail are "low
hanging fruit" and should be done immediately in phase 1
and not delayed .
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Foothills Trail System Master Plan
What should the Council consider when reviewing the draft plan?
I think the plan is very well done and I am supportive and
excited for SLC to catch up to the surrounding suburbs
with an organized trail system . It is long overdue! The
congestion and bottleneck of the Dry Creek entry trail is
perhaps something more urgent than the trails it feeds.
Quickly moving to a directional trail pair at this crucial
bottleneck will greatly impact the success of the trails
accessed above.
I am primarily a biker and note that in SLC you have bikers
or varied and advanced abilities . I see a great deal of
thought put into the slopes and uphill bike trails catering
towards an intermediate biker . The bike park serves a
segment and the flow trails serve another. It seems that
main of the "chunky" or "difficult " trails that I ride today
are scheduled for decommissioning and the resulting
system will be somewhat void of advanced ups/downs.
Please leave some rugged terrain intact. For example, the
Bobsled rivals Corner Canyon 's Rush but what rivals their
Jacobs Ladder? You plan to switchback The Wall (by the
zoo) but then what is the "strenuous" climb equivalent to
replace it? I see many XC or "blue loops" of flow but only
decommissioning of chunky black routes which may foster
a rogue culture to seek new unsanctioned challenges .
Leave some Little Cottonwood Canyon in your plans for
SLC please!
Lastly, let me say (as a mountain biker) that the off-leash
dogs are not really a problem except for Dry Creek
complications. There are the usual issues of bagged or un-
bagged poo left to rot forever on the trails but even those
forgotten bags are usually collected by volunteers or the
more responsible dog owners will collect extra piles-I
have seen and thanked several. My experience says that
bikers and dogs can get along on the trails . So contrary to
some other comments , I see no problem with sections
allowing both groups to roam free . I do NOT support
even/odd day restrictions .
2 Supporters
Kate Bowman
inside Council District 6
February 12, 2020, 8:51PM
First of all , I would like to thank the Council for considering
a comprehensive , long-term plan for a trail network in the
foothills . The open space above the city is cherished by so
many residents and it is important that any development is
done with consideration for not only to meet the needs of
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current residents, but in a thoughtful way that protects this
important resource and ensures that future residents will
get to enjoy it as well.
Directional mountain bike trails are a great way to improve
safety and reduce user conflicts. The downhill-only
mountain bike trails in Park City and Corner Canyon are
very popular, and since most mountain bikers prefer the
downhill-only trails they lessen downhill traffic on other
multi-directional trails in the area . Uphill only trails are
generally compatible with hiking and other uses since
bikers are moving relatively slowly. Armstrong trail in Park
City is a good example of this. Dry creek is desperately in
need of an uphill-only trail and a convenient downhill-only
alternative . I use this trail as both a biker and a runner , and
it's scary to go up in the early evening hours when lots of
people are coming down.
Next , I request that the Council carefully consider public
input before designating any trail that is currently a multi -
use or multi-directional trail for a specific use. There are
some great rugged trails in the foothills that many would
consider too steep for mountain biking , but there are also
folks who have been biking those same trails for years and
love them because they are difficult. I notice one trail in
particular in the plan that has been marked as a "hiking
only " trail -but it's currently a great bike trail, and steep
enough that hiking it involves sliding around on scree . I
have only seen a hiker on the trail once. As others have
mentioned, while smooth machine-built bike trails are tons
of fun, having a few old hand -built (goat-built?) trails gives
a network character. Very few people will ultimately ride
these trails, so the risk of user conflicts is pretty low, but
for the few that do ride them they 're the most fun trails out
there . A staged approach with opportunities for public
input before changing any trail designations can be used to
consider input from everyone who loves these trails .
I encourage the Council to consider if and howe-bike use
fits within the plan . E-bikes are a great tool to make the
outdoors more accessible to many people, but they can
also be disruptive, especially when e-bike riders don 't
understand good trail etiquette. Old fire roads that are too
steep for most mountain bikers are often ridable on an e-
bike, so creating a designated e-bike uphill route might be
a good way to allow e-bike use .
Last , trailhead bathrooms , please!
I am excited to see the next phase of the plan and grateful
the city is taking steps to make our amazing trail network
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What should the Council consider when re v iewing the draft plan?
even better.
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richard steiner
inside Council District 6
February 13 , 2020, 4:20PM
A foothill trail system is long past due . Sister cities up and
down the Wasatch front are way ahead of SLC in trail
building. There is no reason (unless funding is an issue)
why this process is taking so long . Solve the funding issue
by stopping expensive on going studies and just start
building the trails!!
Some comments on previous comments : Someone spoke
to including off leash trails . I am all for regulating dogs off
leash. right now almost everyone disregards the posted
signs that dogs should be on leash on the shoreline trail-
especially in Dry Creek and beyond heading towards City
Creek canyon. By all means include enforcement of current
rules and designate some new trails as off leash on even
days so between Millcreek Canyon and the SLC foothill
system there is always a place for off leash dogs and mtn.
bikers . Someone else commented on needing trails for
biking with off leash dogs. This is a TERRIBLE idea . Hikers
don't always pack out dog waste, bikers don't even know
where their dogs are. Ban biking with dogs. Dogs running
loose are a hazard for other bikers. Draper has built some
trails that are designated as hiking only (as has PC). This is
a good way to separate mtn. bikers and hikers. The hiking
trails should also alternate leash and unleash so that hikers
who are fearful of dogs (yes there are many of us) can
enjoy the system . And patrol and ticket dog users who do
not carry out the dog waste or who break the leash laws.
Currently I could make about $1000/day if I had the
authority to ticket people with their dogs off leash where it
is posted that they must be on leash.
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Social Media: Comment for Transit Grants on 2/18 agenda
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