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01/10/2022 - Minutes (2) SALT LAKE CITY JOINT TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD &BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING Minutes of the January io, 2022 Meeting TAB Members Present for this meeting were Courtney Reeser, Daniel Mendoza, Dave Alderman, David Parrott, Ellen Reddick, Greg Sanchez, Jenn Diederich, Jon Larsen, Kerry Doane, Myron Willson, and Suzanne Stensaas. TAB Members Absent for this meeting were Benjamin LaRiviere, Jim Espeland, Paul Schulte, and Reid Ewing. BAC Members Present for this meeting were Daniel Houpt, David Parrott, Josalyn Bates, Joshua Poppel, Martin Cuma, Rachel Manko, and Sam Janse. BAC Members Absent for this meeting were Gabriela Knudson, Jacquelyn Thiel, and Patrick Casey. Also present were Amy Lyons, Tyler Schmidt, Lynn Jacobs, Dave Iltis, Madison Blodgett, Becka Roolf, Kyle Irvin,Ashley Lichtle, Lara Handwerker, Jen Colby, and George Chapman. The meeting was held electronically and was called to order at 4:35 p.m.by Courtney Reeser. Welcome,Anchor Statement, Member Introductions, New Year's Transportation Resolutions TAB/BAC Members&Lara Handwerker Courtney welcomed everyone and read the anchor statement. All TAB and BAC members introduced themselves and talked about their transportation related New Year's resolutions. Public Comment — Dave Iltis commented on the 200 South rebuild project which he said really needs full protected bike lanes. He said Salt Lake City's plan is to make this a transit first street and it needs to be a people first street with pedestrians and bicyclists first and then transit. It's the only street that goes from east to west in the downtown area. None of the other streets connect safely through downtown,you must go over bridges, overpasses, etc. SLC's plan, the last time he looked at it, was a weaving disaster with bike lanes weaving in between bus stops, and parked cars and it would be a simple change to just make it a parking protected bike lane throughout. He hopes TAB and BAC will push Transportation into a better plan for 200 South because it's something the former BAC fought for, to finally get bike lanes connecting from about 1000 West to the University. Now there is the possibility of that, it'll still be there regardless but there's a chance for improvement, so he asks that it please be improved. Secondly, he's not aware of the full extent of the discussion on interdepartmental coordination but feels the relationship between Streets, Engineering, and Transportation seems dysfunctional. He said the city ends up with cases like the green bike lanes that took ii Page 1 of 10 TAB/BAC 01-10-2022 Minutes years to restripe and now 600 East bike lanes that are going on a couple of years of being completely worn off and not being restriped. They keep getting put off which shows that Streets is not prioritizing bike lanes even if Transportation is. Engineering is also sometimes in conflict with Transportation and vice versa. It seems no one has to listen to anyone else given the way the hierarchy in the city goes. Some sort of combination or a Transportation person that oversees all three would be helpful for the future. Suzanne asked Dave if he sees the problem on 200 South as a problem with UDOT or the City. Dave said it's absolutely a Salt Lake City problem, 200 South is a city road and is i00% a SLC project. Suzanne asked if he sees it as a problem between SLC and UTA that wants it as a route up to the U of U. Dave said he doesn't know what UTA's roll is but thinks you can have both. He said you can have a transit corridor with a bus lane, and you can have parking protected bike lanes where the lanes are at the curb, and you have floating bus stops like there are in many other cities. Jen Colby thanked TAB and BAC for their service. She said she served as the Sustainability person for the U of U for several years and has been quite active in transportation, livable cities, air quality, and all green things. She said she has been watching YouTube videos on livable cities and massive changes that have been made. She knew what Copenhagen was doing but didn't know what the Netherlands was doing. She would highly recommend that everyone watch the videos on the Not Just Bikes channel. She is heartbroken after 20 years of living in SLC and activism on this, as someone who does everything in her power to walk, bike, and take transit and to just realize how the city is now supporting that but most people don't bother because it's far too easy to drive. The network is not complete, there needs to be a decent network of everything, for the levels of service for all people and not just cars. SLC has huge,wide streets and it could have been different. Once the Netherlands got their plans in place, they came up with a very strong, safe streets program and worked backwards from that. Now 25 years later, 1/2 of all the bike lanes plus pedestrian safety are completely integrated including car plans making it more convenient to bike and walk than drive. She said they point out that very few of us are car people,bike people, walk people, or scooter people. We just want to get where we need to go as safely and adequately as possible. She thinks about the fact that there isn't enough time in her life until SLC is really a quality city for all of this and is frustrated as an advocate, and someone who lives here and really wishes to see better conditions for the future generations. She said the reality right now is that we're facing dire consequences on every level yet we're not acting as though that is the case. She wishes all the internal combustion vehicles were replaced with electric vehicles and encouraged everyone, as they enter 2022, to work hard and change their way of thinking because if it's stuck in car centric, we can't get people out of their cars. George Chapman said Dave is right about 200 South. The city is going to be spending $400k on a transit station which doesn't make sense on 200 South, and he thinks they're spending $67 million on an enhanced bus when all that money could be used for electric busses within SLC which makes more sense to him. He likes parking protected bike lanes but doesn't like separated bike lanes because the city refuses to sweep them except every seven weeks. If separated bike lanes aren't going to be maintained, they shouldn't be building them. George doesn't think the city understands how to do bicycle infrastructure. They put in a raised bicycle lane and then they put in rocks that were at a slant which rolled into the bike lane. He thinks 200 South is a disaster and does not agree with the design. Martin asked the city to become more serious about snowplowing bike lanes. It hasn't been much of a problem for the last two winters but this winter it is a problem. His commute on 1500 East was blocked for a week and a half because the snowplows are Page 2 of 10 TAB/BAC 01-10-2022 Minutes afraid to plow the bike lanes all the way to the parked cars. He said they are forced to put their three-year-old in a bike trailer and take the car lane for their commute to school every day. He would like to see some movement in that direction and remembers a pilot program a few years ago for moving the cars away for the day so the bike lanes could be plowed. That didn't materialize because it didn't snow that winter but it would be nice if the City could move in that direction again and become more serious about forcing the motorists to yield a little bit of their rights so the bike lanes can be cleaned up and used throughout the year. Local Link Close-Out Discussion &Highland Drive Updates Lynn Jacobs, SLC Transportation Lynn gave an update on the Local Link Study and said there are two components to this study. One that was completed almost a year ago was a circulation study in the Sugar House area to better connect Millcreek, Sugar House, and South Salt Lake. As a result of that study, there were several projects recommended. The city has already been able to move forward on implementation of some of those, including the Parley's Trail alignment through the Sugar House business district. SLC has involved staff from the other cities and took a deep look into how to improve biking and walking facilities between the cities. The second component of the Local Links Study is a Transit Alternatives Analysis to better evaluate how to connect those cities. The preferred alternative from that study is to use an enhanced bus route on Highland Drive. Transportation plans on recommending the enhanced bus service and then someday converting that line to a streetcar when the ridership is high enough to justify the expense. They are also recommending that the enhanced bus service route be extended further north and south all the way along the proposed future streetcar alignment. This includes taking it down 200 South to the Frontrunner station and south to the canyons, gravel pit parking lot area. Now that the alternatives analysis has wrapped up, they are going to go into a public review and then take this recommendation to the City Council for adoption. Lynn said that on Highland Drive, they have come up with a concept which is essentially rebuilding the road from I-8o to r700 South and for the bulk of it, they will be adding a new multi-use path on the west side of the street. This will become a continuation/connection to the Parley's Trail that the Local Links study identified was needed. The idea of the multi-use path is that it connects these trails, but more importantly, it connects users of those trails with the businesses in Sugar House. There will also be the addition of a lot of bike parking and other features to make it very friendly for people to walk, ride their bike, and get around in the corridor. This project is advancing to final design and is currently what they are planning on building when it goes to construction. Lynn said that while the general concept is pretty set, they will be fine tuning this and looking at transitions, signage, and what can be done within the footprint they have to make this work for all users. After some discussion by the members, Courtney thanked everyone and said they need to remember they are looking at transportation for everyone, not just a specific group and it needs to be safe for everyone that's using it. Goals and Framing for TAB &BAC Lara Handwerker, SLC Transportation Lara did a group visioning exercise to set the framework for how the members can approach items that are brought to them throughout the year and how they can use their influence as TAB/BAC members. She began by asking them to share three words in the Page 3 of 10 TAB/BAC 01-10-2022 Minutes chat to describe their personal goals and/or vision for SLC's transportation system. Lara then showed a series of slides with pictures of different types of transportation system users. Everyone shared 3 words in the chat showing what needs each user might need or require when traveling. She put their answers into a word cloud and felt they could see, through this exercise, the balancing of different needs of people using the transportation system. Lara said this is a good thing to look back on next time they are looking at a city project to think about what Transportation thinks about and help identify themes like safety and other important parts of projects. Interdepartmental Coordination Brainstorm SLC Transportation&Committee Members Lara took the opportunity while everyone was together to get them thinking about issues they have noticed from a resident perspective. She said sometimes it's even difficult for employees to know who is responsible for what project and she would like to talk about how the different Divisions and Departments work together, coordinate, and overcome the apparent barriers or differences in goals. Her current list identifies Public Utilities, Engineering, Parks and Public Lands, Streets, Compliance, Golf, Urban Forestry, and Planning as different Departments/Divisions within the city where Transportation's work really relates and sometimes, they work closely together. Courtney said a list that Suzanne had previously submitted was incredible and one of the things that came out of the many projects on the west side is that there isn't a lot of communication amongst Transportation and other Departments. Transportation is what brings people out of their house and into society, that's how they get from point A to point B. If Transportation is doing a neighborhood byway, are they coordinating with Streets and Engineering on how it gets implemented or does Public Utilities ask if something is being done in an area so they can piggyback onto a project? Kerry thinks the idea of a hierarchy of priorities like pedestrians, then bikes, etc., should be developed and shared with the city and when there is construction, the contractors should also be held to it. Sometimes the sidewalks are closed, and cars can more easily move around obstacles then pedestrians. If there is a priority or a policy for all Departments to follow, then maybe the pedestrians get some of the street space. Lara said that as the Transportation Master Plan is being updated, they are trying to have these types of conversations from a policy perspective. The TMP isn't a list of projects but rather policy foundations so they can have these priorities and approaches clearly outlined and followed in the future. Suzanne said she's sick of master plans because they never get implemented. Lara said the TMP hasn't been updated for years and it's going to be policy oriented. She said it's important because it forms the base of all these questions and conversations regarding what type of infrastructure should be put on streets for pedestrians, bicyclists, and others. The first survey for the TMP just wrapped up and Joe Taylor will be reaching out to the group again. Suzanne said that's good, and it needs to start with a priority of users with cars being last. They all need to be in the same plan and intertwined so they happen together which would help solve the problem of interagency disconnect. She also suggested that maybe the organization plan needs to be changed as far as who reports to who because if the city can't get everything done efficiently, they're wasting money. Courtney said that instead of a master plan, there should be a living,breathing, changeable program that can work together as priorities change or other things happen. Having an overlay of planning might be a better way of looking at a master plan idea. She said there have been a lot of studies that haven't been implemented and it's frustrating that their time and resources are going into that, and nothing happens. She Page 4 of 10 TABBAC 01-10-2022 Minutes thanked everyone for their ideas, and it was determined that there may be a joint meeting again this year to continue this discussion. Meeting Chat from myron willson to everyone: 5:04 PM what additional factors are associated with enhanced transit?how will it prioritize bus over cars? from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:04 PM Why not a continuation of the streetcar? from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:05 PM And what about bike lanes on Highland? from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:09 PM I concur with Dave on bike lanes on Highland. It is critical. Downtown Sugar House is utterly hostile to bicycling. from myron willson to everyone: 5:09 PM buses should be prioritized from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:10 PM Downtown Sugar House is a perfect example of car dependent design,with massive density added without doing simultaneous multimodal redesign. So it becomes chicken and egg re getting people out of cars. from myron willson to everyone: 5:11 PM if cars are faster, ppl won't get on transit- "enhanced bus" seems to be a marketing gimmick? from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:13 PM What is the rationale that SLC is taking with multi-use paths rather than bike only paths? from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:14 PM Highland is narrow-partly due to bulbouts. Not clear to me how a person on a bike safely gets from this path to SugarHouse Coffee etc. from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:14 PM Highland is narrow N of 2100 S I mean from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:15 PM How will traffic be calmed throughout the corridor? from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:18 PM More bicycle gutters! Better than nothing but its not a proper bicycle facility. Confidence should not be a qualification for getting on a bike. from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:19 PM Why do Dutch omas (grandmas) bicycle?Their confidence comes from proper design. from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:20 PM Please add continuous raised crosswalks they are brilliant from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:20 PM See the Not Just Bikes YouTube on this topic from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:21 PM People on bikes moving into traffic lanes enfuriate car drivers and just create more bikelash. from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:22 PM There should not be tradeoffs between people on bikes and peds from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:22 PM Those bulbouts are not safe for bikes. Suzanne is right. Page 5 of 10 TABBAC 01-10-2022 Minutes from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:22 PM Continuous sidewalks as speed humps solve the problem from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:23 PM Businesses need to recognize we peds and cyclists and transit riders also shop from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:23 PM Stats are on our side from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:23 PM Paid parking please no free on street parking from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:24 PM People in wheelchairs regularly use side paths. Its the cars that are the threat to ADA from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:24 PM Continuous sidewalks! Broken record. from Jacobs, Lynn to everyone: 5:28 PM Link to Local Link Circulation Study: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/6892ad264fe44389bba59b3475f b6e6fhttps://sto rymaps.arcgis.com/stories/6892ad264fe44389bba59b3475fb6e6f from Jacobs, Lynn to everyone: 5:28 PM Link to Highland Drive: https://avenueconsultants.com/video/virtual/HighlandDr/a/ from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:29 PM Priority in planning needs to be 1. People on foot first. 2. People on bikes, scooters, skateboards 3. Transit. 4. Delivery 5. Last and least- cars. from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:3o PM The psychological changes come from good design not the other way around. People are not "drivers" "cyclists" "peds" "scooterpeople" exclusively! Most people are flexible but need networked systems and maintenance. Car centric design crushes choice and thus true freedom. from Jacobs, Lynn to everyone: 5:3o PM I actually have to leave to prepare for another meeting - if you would like to have offline discussions about Local Link, Highland Drive or other projects in the Sugar House area -please reach out to me: lynn.jacobs@slcgov.com. I apologize that I won't be able to answer all of these great questions in the chat but happy to have offline conversations as needed. from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:31 PM efficient, responsive coordinate from myron willson to everyone: 5:31 PM safe, options and safe from Martin Cuma to everyone: 5:31 PM Less car centric. from Doane, Kerry Mgr Long Range Strategic Plann to everyone: 5:32 PM choice, sustainable, inclusive from Danny Houpt to everyone: 5:32 PM safe, reliable, future-proof from Dave Alderman to everyone: 5:32 PM convenient, flexible, equitable from josalyn to everyone: 5:32 PM If we emulate what other cities do its a bit easier to figure out how we can include everyone. I really agree with including everyone but there re prioroties. How did netherlands or places like it do it? from Ellen Reddick to everyone: 5:32 PM Page 6 of 10 TABBAC 01-10-2022 Minutes Agree with Dave A from Joshua Poppel to everyone: 5:32 PM less car centric... from Tyler Schmidt to everyone: 5:32 PM I have to leave for another meeting. It was nice meeting you all. from David Parrott to everyone: 5:32 PM timely, safe, equitable from Sam JANSE to everyone: 5:32 PM Enjoyable, equitable, dynamic from josalyn to everyone: 5:32 PM sustainable, safe, active from Courtney Reeser to everyone: 5:32 PM calming, equitable, changable from Greg Sanchez to everyone: 5:33 PM Connected, Equitable, Community from Ellen Reddick to everyone: 5:33 PM Bye TYler-good to see you in person. from Courtney Reeser to everyone: 5:33 PM by changable, I mean adaptable from myron willson to everyone: 5:34 PM less sustainable? from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:36 PM curb cuts, cross walks, signals from Doane, Kerry Mgr Long Range Strategic Plann to everyone: 5:36 PM safe, enjoyable, slow from David Parrott to everyone: 5:36 PM safety, accessability, space from myron willson to everyone: 5:37 PM safe, enjoyable variety from Sam JANSE to everyone: 5:37 PM Separation from traffic, quiet, signals from Dave Alderman to everyone: 5:37 PM safe, pedestrian focused, accessible from Greg Sanchez to everyone: 5:37 PM safety,visibility, buffered from Martin Cuma to everyone: 5:38 PM good clean sidewalk, safe street crossing from Courtney Reeser to everyone: 5:38 PM safe, even-surfaced, pleasant from myron willson to everyone: 5:38 PM that applies to all neighborhoods ellen! from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:39 PM shelter, on time, frequent from Martin Cuma to everyone: 5:39 PM easy, reliable, safe from Doane, Kerry Mgr Long Range Strategic Plann to everyone: 5:39 PM space, straight, sheltered from Danny Houpt to everyone: 5:39 PM reliable, consistent, frequent Page 7 of 10 TABBAC 01-10-2022 Minutes from Sam JANSE to everyone: 5:39 PM Shelter, reliable, frequent from David Parrott to everyone: 5:39 PM accessibility, safety, relelability from Dave Alderman to everyone: 5:39 PM timely, convenient, reliable from myron willson to everyone: 5:39 PM prioritized, safely, timely from josalyn to everyone: 5:39 PM safe, understandable, easy from Greg Sanchez to everyone: 5:39 PM Sheltered,Access,Well-lit from Courtney Reeser to everyone: 5:39 PM mobility, reliable, convenient from Doane, Kerry Mgr Long Range Strategic Plann to everyone: 5:42 PM slow, space, safe from Dave Alderman to everyone: 5:42 PM safety, safety, safety from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:42 PM safe, potholes, rocks from josalyn to everyone: 5:43 PM encouraging, fun, access from Danny Houpt to everyone: 5:43 PM Safe, clean,visible from Sam JANSE to everyone: 5:43 PM Safe, maintained, accessible from David Parrott to everyone: 5:43 PM safe, inclusive, protected from Courtney Reeser to everyone: 5:43 PM safety, sustainable,visible from Martin Cuma to everyone: 5:43 PM equality, safety from Greg Sanchez to everyone: 5:44 PM ramps,visibility, space from Doane, Kerry Mgr Long Range Strategic Plann to everyone: 5:44 PM smooth, enjoyable, seating from David Parrott to everyone: 5:44 PM smooth, clear, protected from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:44 PM maintenance, landscaping,benches from Courtney Reeser to everyone: 5:44 PM Viable!, safety, even-surfaces from Martin Cuma to everyone: 5:45 PM leveled, clean, separated from josalyn to everyone: 5:45 PM helpful, clean, interseting from Sam JANSE to everyone: 5:45 PM Accessibility, maintained, level from Danny Houpt to everyone: 5:45 PM Page 8 of 10 TABBAC 01-10-2022 Minutes Leveled, clean, cared for from myron willson to everyone: 5:45 PM arterials as canyons. from josalyn to everyone: 5:45 PM interesting from myron willson to everyone: 5:45 PM noise, safety from josalyn to everyone: 5:46 PM artistic from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:47 PM I forgot to put shade, shade, trees, trees from josalyn to everyone: 5:49 PM less expensive than driving! from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:49 PM very useful exercise from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:5o PM Please all if you are unfamiliar with the Netherlands transportation planning with safety first please do some homework. The assumption is that people make mistakes and design must minimize consequences.Vulnerable users first. It took a while to build out but outcomes are amazing- at least from afar. from Jen Colby to everyone: 5:52 PM Post COVID (if that ever happens) maybe a field trip to Amsterdam and environs is in order :) from Martin Cuma to everyone: 5 53 PM We haven't seen Suzanne's list. from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:55 PM I just sent it to Lara.You can make and submit your own list of where you see that departments are not communicating, efficient, timed, supported, scheduled, etc. from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:55 PM There needs to be a single SLC Transportation Dept. that encompasses planning, maintenance, and engineering. Not 3 different departments with 3 different goals. from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 5:57 PM trees and sidewalks, signals and cross walks, lighting,bikes lanes all have to be done at the same time from Roolf, Becka to everyone: 5:59 PM 1996. from Dave Iltis to everyone: 6:02 PM LIfe on State is another study that has gone nowhere. from Danny Houpt to everyone: 6:02 PM I have to drop, apologies from Dave Alderman to everyone: 6:03 PM I've got to go to another meeting. Thanks for all the discussion. from Martin Cuma to everyone: 6:03 PM You need to ask why were these plans not implemented? from josalyn to everyone: 6:03 PM how about making a master plan on how to make incentives and benefits to those who are less car centric from Handwerker, Lara to everyone: 6:03 PM Page 9 of 10 TABBAC 01-10-2022 Minutes Greg- I'm sorry that we ran out of time for your comment.You or anyone else, please feel free to email me after the meeting with any additional thoughts. lara.handwerker@slcgov.com from Greg Sanchez to everyone: 6:04 PM thanks! will do! from josalyn to everyone: 6:04 PM good job everyone! from Dave Iltis to everyone: 6:04 PM Thank you! Motion: Courtney Reeser motioned to adjourn the meeting; Kerry Doane seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 6:05 p.m. Approved by the Transportation Advisory Board 02-07-22 Approved by the Bicycle Advisory Committee 03-21-22 Page 10 of 10 TAB/BAC 01-10-2022 Minutes