2/6/2023 - Meeting Minutes SALT LAKE CITY
TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD
Minutes of the February 6, 2023 Meeting
Present from the Transportation Advisory Board were Dave Alderman and Jon Larsen.
Electronically present from the Transportation Advisory Board were Daniel Mendoza,
Ellen Reddick, Greg Sanchez, John Close, Johnnae Nardone, Leo Masic, Myron Willson,
and Suzanne Stensaas.
Absent from the Transportation Advisory Board were Paul Schulte,Jenn Diederich, and
Jim Espeland.
Electronically present were Amy Lyons, Justice Morath,Julianne Sabula, Martin Cuma,
Dave Iltis, and Max McLeod.
The meeting was held both electronically and in person and was called to order at 4:01
p.m. by Greg Sanchez.
Welcome and Introduction of Guests — Greg welcomed everyone and introduced
Justice Morath, a future new Di representative.
Motion: Ellen Reddick moved to approve the minutes of the December 5, 2022
meeting. Myron Willson seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
Motion: Ellen Reddick moved to approve the minutes of the January 9, 2023 joint
TAB/BAC meeting. Myron Willson seconded the motion. The motion passed
unanimously.
Joint TAB/BAC Letter of Support for the Transportation CIP Applications
Transportation Advisory Board
Motion: Myron Willson moved to approve the draft joint TAB/BAC letter of support for
the Transportation CIP applications. Dave Alderman seconded the motion. The motion
passed unanimously.
Public Comment — Dave Iltis said Mayor Mendenhall adopted Vision Zero last month
in response to an editorial he wrote which he also shared with the Board at the last
meeting. He doesn't know if the Board ever followed up with an endorsement of joining
Vision Zero, but he would still recommend they do so. He would like them to consider
keeping Vision Zero as an overarching framework for any decisions they make. In the
past there have been decisions made by the Board or by people on the Board that have
not considered that. The result was more traffic deaths and traffic injuries so he hopes
this will be their guiding light for how they approach every project and street
reconstruction recommendation they make from now on. The most important thing
done in transportation should be making it safe for everyone,which needs to be at the
top of their minds when they make choices. He also said the Wasatch Front Regional
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Transportation Plan comment period is open. He thinks it's open for a couple more
weeks, but this is a guiding plan from now until 2050 so he asked that the Board please
comment(https://wfrc.org/). Ellen said she would like to see more driver education,
more driver responsibility, more enforcement, and chastising of drivers, especially the
drivers that kill people in crosswalks. She said hardly anything is done to these drivers.
She's talked to several police officers about the little girl that was killed in her district
coming home from school in a crosswalk. It was a terrible unfortunate accident and
there was no repercussion, nothing actually done. She thinks they need to be really
strident and let people know there are consequences when you kill people when you
drive and you have got to be more responsible, take the responsibility as a driver
seriously or get out of the car. Suzanne and Johnnae agreed but Johnnae said sanctions
are a little bit outside of the scope of what Jon does. Ellen said they are community
leaders, and they have part of that responsibility to educate their community and make
sure that they are getting the word out wherever possible. There needs to be more
programs out there to let people know they are responsible. Suzanne said going back to
Dave's comment, she thinks he'll be happy to know that in the other letter TAB is going
to submit, it deals with this tragic accident that Ellen is referring to and in the same
letter, it incorporates and stresses the importance of the adoption and implementation
of Vision Zero. That letter will be going to the City Council as soon as the Board looks it
over and hopefully approves it. She feels like it should also go to the school district so
maybe Paul Schulte can distribute it. Suzanne said there is also a bill before the
Legislature to install radar to enforce and give tickets on certain faster roads. Maybe
someone here knows more about that bill,but we should all maybe get some emphasis
behind installing and allowing. Right now, it's illegal to use radar for ticketing and the
other thing is if you want manslaughter to be part of the consequences of an auto-
pedestrian accident,then that's going to be a legal issue to do so. She suggests they
discuss that with Sim Gill or someone in the business of enforcement. Daniel Mendoza
said he also saw the tragic news about what happened on 600 North last week. It's a
road that he rides his bike on and every time he rides it, it's scary. Unfortunately, it's
really the only way to get across to the Jordan Parkway from where he's coming from
which he thinks is part of the problem. He believes part of the issue is that the word
accident keeps being used and it's not an accident to be looking at your phone and
rolling through stop signs, that's a premeditated decision. An accident would be if
suddenly, the sun blinds you,you hit a pothole, or hit black ice. Drivers are
unnecessarily choosing to put everyone else's lives at risk when they are choosing to be
texting or using their phone to be distracted. He likes the suggestion about potentially
looking at manslaughter charges because you choose to check your phone and you
choose to just try to run through a crosswalk or stop sign without checking for a
pedestrian and that is a choice, not an accident. As long as you keep saying it's an
accident, it really exculpates the drivers. He's upset and passionate about this because
he's seen accidents and been hit while on his bike and while it was labeled an accident, it
was because the driver was distracted and not obeying the law or simply not thinking.
He would really like to change the language and put responsibility on the driver because
those are choices not accidents. Suzanne suggested that someone from the AG's office
or whoever would be appropriate, come and talk to them and explain to them why when
people hit pedestrians that is not manslaughter, if there needs to be some legal
modification to the codes, and how TAB can help lobby for that. She would also like to
know why they can't legally use radar and what needs to happen for more stringent
consequences. Greg said they will work to get someone on their agenda to address both
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those issues. Suzanne mentioned a sidewalk the City is also supposed to be plowing and
Martin said he will ask about that specific issue at the next BAC meeting.
BAC Monthly Update
Martin Cuma, BAC Chair
Martin said the plan for the next BAC meeting is to discuss plowing the bike lanes and
certain sidewalks such as Foothill with the Streets Division as well as reviewing and
hopefully approving the joint CIP letter.
Review Constituent Transportation Related CIP Applications
Transportation Advisory Board Members
The Board reviewed the Constituent Transportation related CIP applications prior to the
meeting. In reviewing the applications, Myron felt the context of where Jon and
Transportation feel these various projects fit within their work and ongoing construction
was missing. He is leery of weighing in at a micro level to push one of these above or
below another and would prefer to defer to what Transportation thinks is the best way to
review them. John agreed as they aren't aware of what the community prioritizations
are. Jon explained how the Constituent CIP applications work, Transportation's role in
helping with them, and that they are discouraged to weigh in on them but will help
constituents refine the applications to make them as good as possible. Suzanne thought
it would be appropriate to say they hope special consideration is given to those dealing
with safety. Johnnae suggested, building on the safety approach, they look at this from
the perspective of what vulnerable users are impacted and whether they are seeing the
most traffic violence where these projects are proposed. The Board would like to write a
letter that says they hope the City Council will give special consideration to safety as
they select the ones they are going to approve, and Myron would like to include safety
for pedestrians and other vulnerable users in that letter. John suggested they say they
support those projects that do support pedestrian safety without referring to specific
projects. Jon said there is already a constituent board who are tasked with prioritizing
these projects. Greg said they should keep their recommendations on a safety
prioritization and Johnnae thought they should be specific about vulnerable users and
areas of high rates of traffic collisions and violence. Myron said he loves that and in a
broad sense, would like to tie it back to Vision Zero. Greg asked if the Board would be
ok with him and Suzanne writing this letter and Suzanne said she'll be out of town so
Daniel said he would help. Dave said he also thinks there is a secondary benefit to know
what and where the people in the community are worried about safety. If there is
enough concern on somebody's part to go through this process,they must think these
are hotspots. Suzanne submitted an application and explained all of the information a
constituent must gather to proceed.
Motion: Greg Sanchez moved that he and Daniel draft a letter in support of the
Constituent Transportation related CIP projects that address safety,vulnerable users,
high rate of traffic violence and Vision Zero. Suzanne Stensaas seconded the motion.
The motion passed unanimously.
Vision Zero and Mayor's Safe Streets Task Force
Jon Larsen, SLC Transportation
Jon said it was exciting news that the Mayor,by declaration, announced SLC's intention
to become an official Vision Zero city. He said this is good news for safety and they are
committed to moving as fast as possible to make these changes. One of the
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requirements is that a timeline must be set so they set it for 2035 for zero fatalities as
well as zero serious injuries. Vision Zero is a systematic approach that requires cross
departmental and cross disciplinary collaboration to do what they can to make progress
not only on the street design,but on education and enforcement. The Mayor had
created a Safe Streets Task Force which is being renamed the Vision Zero Task Force.
Folks from SLC Transportation, UDOT, SLCPD, Utah Highway Safety Office, and
Highway Patrol are all part of that Task Force. They will be meeting quarterly and their
main purpose, besides encouraging cross disciplinary collaboration, is to hold
themselves accountable for the action plan. The Task Force still needs to create an
action plan which is probably one of the biggest things needed to become an official
Vision Zero city. WFRC also just received news that they were successful in a grant
application to create a safety action plan for the entire region. Johnnae asked if there
were only paid people or if there will be any community representation on the Task
Force. Jon said he's open to recommendations on how best to marry up the Vision Zero
Task Force with what TAB does. He wondered whether it should be an official sub-
committee like BAC or if, as part of the vision philosophy, that safety is woven
throughout everything, and that TAB and BAC can advise the Task Force and vice versa.
They're still trying to figure it out the best way to structure this. Suzanne asked if TAB
could have a representative on the Task Force just as BAC has a representative on TAB
and they could be invited to attend the meeting and give feedback to TAB. Suzanne
suggested TAB vote to see who would attend those meetings. Jon said it's not an official
standing committee or open meeting like TAB and BAC. Suzanne said she's happy to go
but would need backup. Jon shared more information about the funding dedicated to
transportation safety each year, current safety programs in place, and additional
requirements to become a Vision Zero city.
Motion: Myron Willson moved to have Suzanne Stensaas as the point person attending
the Vision Zero Task Force meetings and for Ellen Reddick to be her backup. Ellen
Reddick seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
TAB Pedestrian Safety Letter Discussion
Transportation Advisory Board
Dave suggested adding a reference to the recent fatality on 60o North. Greg agreed and
said he will add that and send it back to the Board for review.
UTA Update — Ski Busses
Leo Masic, Utah Transit Authority
Leo gave an overview of the Salt Lake County ski service including where the routes are
and when they run. He said they are designed to connect TRAX stations to ski resorts
and make multiple stops in between. The fee is $5.00, and Leo explained which passes
include this service and which do not. The changes made in the routes were due to
reduced rider frequency and a labor shortage. John asked if UTA has been part of the
conversation about the Cottonwood Connect where the County allocated funds for this
service. He is curious if that has been successful and if it's taken some of the burden off
UTA. Leo said the County was contracting with a private company, Snow Canyon Limo,
to duplicate the UTA service and try to fill in the gap for the reduction in service in that
area. He said UTA isn't receiving funding and believes they are actually contributing a
small portion for that service. It's a service that only runs on Thursday, Friday,
Saturday, and Sunday but it serves almost all the same stops that UTA ski busses do.
Suzanne asked how someone staying downtown manages to get up to the ski resorts
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now as there used to be a downtown ski stop. Leo said a decision was made to
consolidate all the services into three main routes to enable 15-minute services. The
expectation is that a tourist would take the blue line to a TRAX station that has a ski bus.
Suzanne said there is no easy way for east side residents to get up the canyons unless
they go to a park and ride which are always full.
Motion: Suzanne Stensaas motioned to adjourn the meeting; Myron Willson seconded
the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
The meeting was adjourned at 5:20 p.m. and the next meeting of the Board was
scheduled for March 6, 2023.
TAB WebEx Meeting Chat
from Myron to everyone: 4:05 PM
thanks to Greg and everyone who helped write the letter.
from Dave Iltis to everyone: 4:10 PM
See our editorial here:
https://www.Q clingutah.com/columns/editorials/editorial-salt-lake-city-
needs-to-adopt-vision-zero-for-no-more-traffic-deaths-and-injuries/
from Myron to everyone: 4:13 PM
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/There-Are-No-
Accidents/Jessie-Singer/c)78iA8212c)668
from Dave Iltis to everyone: 4:15 PM
Photo radar bill: https://le.utah.gov/-2023/bills/static/SBolo5.html
from Myron to everyone: 4:23 PM
do any of these compliment your current priorities? agree with Susan
from Dave Iltis to everyone: 4:26 PM
SLC Bike to Work Day is this Wednesday!
https://www.cyclingLatah.com/news/salt-lake-city-winter-bike-to-work-d4y-
will-be-wednesday-2-8-23/
from Dave Iltis to everyone: 4:30 PM
You should consider Vulnerable Road Users, not just pedestrians.
from Myron to everyone: 4:39 PM
the list of involved orgs is heavy in the auto-industrial complex IMO
from Dave Iltis to everyone: 4:52 PM
See also:
https://le.utah.gov/ASP/RelatedBill/similar.asp?scode=02'73 2&Year=2023
from suzanne stensaas to everyone: 4:56 PM
https:,//Ie.utah.gov/ASP/RelatedBill/similar.asp?scode=02828&Year=2022
from Dave Iltis to everyone: 5:0 7 PM
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Is UTA searching for more money to pay drivers more to fund these routes?
from Myron to everyone: 5:13 PM
Remind me again why we're talking about this?
from Myron to everyone: 5:18 PM
2100 South
from Myron to everyone: 5:19 PM
we talked previously about transportation master plan update
Approved by Transportation Advisory Board on 03-o6-23.
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