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05/13/2024 - Meeting Minutes MEETING MINUTES SALT LAKE CITY AND COUNTY BUILDING CONSERVANCY AND USE COMMITTEE HYBRID MEETING HELD, MAY 13, 2024 COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT EX OFFICIO MEMBERS PRESENT Catherine Tucker,Committee Chair Laura Marshall,SLC Facilities Jennifer Hale,Committee Member Josh Lander,SLC Facilities Barbara Murphy,Committee Member Bait lake cite&(Eounro$duilainq Sean Fyfe,SLC Engineering conorrbanrp&woe Committee Kathy Davis,Committee Member Karilyn Anderson,SLC Engineering Anne Oliver,Committee Member 11MR(OW41311) Jaysen Oldroyd,SLC Attorney's Office Travis Sheppard,Committee Member Robyn Taylor-Granda, Committee Member Dale: June 10, 2024 COMMITTEE MEMBER ABSENT John Kemp, Committee Vice Chair Catherine Tucker welcomed everyone to today's Conservancy and Use Committee meeting. She began by taking a role call as follows: Laura Marshall,Salt Lake City Facilities,Josh Lander,Salt Lake City Facilities,Jenny Hale,Committee Member, Karen Ferguson,Visitor; Kathy Davis, Committee Member; Karilyn Anderson,Salt Lake City Engineering; Sean Fyfe,Salt Lake City Engineering;Travis Sheppard, Committee Member;Jerod Johnson,Visitor; Catherine Tucker,Committee Chair; Barbara Murphy, Committee Member;Jaysen Oldroyd,SLC Attorney's Office;Anne Oliver,Committee Member; and Robyn Taylor-Granda,Committee Member. Agenda Item 1: Review and Approval of Last Month's Meeting Minutes Catherine gave everyone a moment to review March's meeting minutes. Then asked if anyone had any comments or if someone would like to motion to approve the minutes. Travis Sheppard requested a correction on page 1,Agenda item 2,fourth paragraph,sentence begins with "Travis asked when the seismic project was scheduled to be completed". He said I do in fact know what date the seismic project will be completed so I didn't ask this question. Laura mentioned it was a male voice on the recording and I thought it was Travis. There was a discussion with the committee members, and they asked for this sentence to be corrected by changing the beginning of this sentence to read "It was asked". Laura stated okay I will make this correction. Catherine asked if there were any other corrections.If not,can I have a motion to approve the meeting minutes as corrected if everyone is finished with their review. Travis Sheppard motioned to approve the meeting minutes as corrected. Kathy Davis Seconded the motion. Catherine then asked to vote on the motion to approve the meeting minutes from March 11,2024,with correction.All those in favor, or any opposed. The Committee unanimously voted to approve the minutes as corrected. Agenda Item 2: Earthquake Remediation Update Sean stated regarding the project we are making really good progress.We currently have two active phases and one pending. Phase 8,which is on the south side of the second floor, is nearly complete.We'll be going through the punch list on that phase on June 3ra There is one room in that phase that has some water damage not related to the earthquake repairs.We believe it was caused by the mayor's shower on the third floor.And so,we are remediating that damage, but it will cause about a 10-to-14-day delay just in that area.So that is a little nuance to this phase. Travis added but that won't affect the final date. Sean confirmed. 1 Sean said then the next phase is Phase 9,which is on the south side of the first floor,which just started on May 6t"and so the evaluation is ongoing.They're also working over at the south side first floor stairwell egress. This phase is scheduled to be completed by July 15t" And then Phase 10,which is on the north side of first floor, is scheduled to start June 5t"and is scheduled to be completed August 13t". And this will be the last phase. It's been a long road and we're really excited. Paulsen Construction has been phenomenal throughout the whole project,as well as GSBS Architects, and Karilyn.We're making great progress and hopefully the rest of it goes smoothly. Sean asked the committee if there were any questions. Catherine said,just to give the visitors a brief background on the remediation project. The repair work is mostly cosmetic damage, which was caused by the earthquake, but quite a lot of it is historic plaster repair,very intricate. Karen said I saw that right after it happened. I just came and took a peek around the building on my own. Not officially. Catherine mentioned that they have had some really amazing craftsmen recreate plaster cornices and all kinds of things in the building. Do we have any other questions for Sean. There were no other questions from the committee or guests. Agenda Item 3: Review Amended Ordinance Draft Jaysen said with regard to the amended draft.The goal, or the objective,of what we were trying to do is to relax the criteria,for who could be a member of this committee.And in order to do that, I started out with making a change to section 2.39.030 subsection B. Which requires committee members to be city residents. Now it will be"Members of the committee should either be city residents, own a business within the city or regularly perform work within the city". Kathy asked a question. What does regularly perform work mean. Jaysen said I think you'd have to essentially make an argument as to what would fit and what would not? I think what we're really going for is someone who works inside the city boundary at a full-time job or something similar. Kathy said I think you need to define that more. Jaysen said we could tighten it up more. Do we want to make it tighter?Or do we want to leave it somewhat open. Kathy mentioned I don't think you want to have somebody regularly performing work and be somebody who works here only a few hours a week.You want somebody who's connected to the city. Catherine said I concur. I feel like it needs to be someone whose prime place of business is within Salt Lake City. Kathy added someone who has the city's interests at heart.Travis said,well you know when we were talking about Entelen,this company has done a lot of work in Salt Lake City on the Governor's mansion and the Capitol. But their office is located just outside Salt Lake City. So, I don't know how you would craft that. But I think that someone working for a company like that would be a good candidate for the committee. Catherine asked Jaysen what advice you can give us legally,you know. I think we probably want fewer words, but we could say something like,who has demonstrably contributed to significant building structures in Salt Lake City.You know we need to indicate someone who's invested in the city,one way or the other. Jaysen said so we've got kind of 2 different pathways then,we currently have"own a business within the city"and could add "or has full time employment at a location within the city". Or do we want this broader approach, maybe worked on meaningful projects within the city, or something along those lines. Jenny said ownership is tricky. Like most people don't own their own business, I think it should be own or work in Salt Lake City. Catherine said I'm not certain how own came on the list. Is that important to any of this,or could it simply be works or is employed by a business in Salt Lake City. I don't know if ownership matters to us. It was discussed and the committee members felt ownership could be left in as an option. Jaysen said I think one thing I'd share,too, is the list that we're creating here.These are the criteria that someone would need to meet to be eligible for the position. But just by meeting the criteria doesn't mean that you would get it.So, the criteria essentially is whose eligible to sit on the committee,and then the Mayor and the Council would have the selection process of actually appointing someone. Anne said, I think we could cover all 3 bases,and just say,either city resident,owns or works for a company,or does substantial business or work in Salt Lake City.And leave that third one,and they'll have to show us any of those 3 things.and that could cover it and keep our applicant pool wide,which is what we want. 2 Catherine asked Jaysen does that give you enough direction to craft something. Jaysen said I wonder if we can just craft that last line right now together, because the first part I think the city residents and the own a business are straightforward. How about this-city resident,own a business or have a demonstrable history of substantive work on projects within Salt Lake City. Jaysen stated I think it does give us 2 very clear,straightforward categories that's broader than it was,and it gives us the third category that honestly,anyone that the Mayor recommends or Council is willing to approve would probably clear the threshold, and I think everyone would be able to point to that and say we believe there's a sufficient demonstration history of working on these projects. I think that would cover it,and I think someone would have a hard time successfully challenging under that third prong, saying it's not sufficient unless we choose someone that has really no tie. Jenny asked I'm just wondering why we shouldn't say owns or works for a business,that would cover a good chunk of people.Jaysen added owns or works for a business located within Salt Lake City. Barbara asked would that include government agencies. Jaysen said what if I were to say an entity instead of business. Jaysen said let me read what we've got now and see what we think. "Members of the committee should either be city residents, own or work for a legal entity located within Salt Lake City or have a demonstrable history of substantive working on projects within Salt Lake City".And traditionally,that's the issues we're had finding enough candidates.to fill some of the spots,and I think we'd rely on the selection process to vet the candidates,and make sure that whoever makes it on the committee has those ties.Which we believe is important with the ordinance. Catherine asked are there any more discussion needed on Point B. I would like to make a brief remark on Point C. Can everybody please review Point C,their respective organizations that you all represent and make certain they're listed correctly, because I know we've had some business name changes.We currently have Preservation Utah.And Salt Lake City I think needs to be capitalized before the Arts Council Board. Kathy confirmed it should be capitalized along with the Arts Council Board.Jaysen confirmed I've capitalized that.Catherine said then we have Utah State Historic Preservation Office. Barbara is that correct. Barbara said yes that's correct. Jaysen asked a question,on number 2 point 1 says Preservation Utah.And 2 point 2 says Preservation Utah Society which of these 2 are correct. Robyn said Preservation Utah.Jaysen said okay remove society. Robyn said also it's not very clear with number 2 point 1 member of Preservation Utah.We don't have members,we have staff.We have 2 volunteer committees,the Board of Trustees,and then the Historic Properties Committee,and then there's staff. After discussing how this should read Robyn and the other committee members decided that 2 point 1 should read "a staff member of Preservation Utah;or"then 2 point 2 should read "recommended for the position of committee member by Preservation Utah". Jaysen said okay corrected. Then Jaysen asked what about C point 3. The Committee members stated he just needs the name capitalized, no other changes.Jaysen then asked what about C point 5 point 1. Barbara said I would change that one to say a staff member there are no members of SHPO. Barbara said change it to read "a staff member of the Utah State Historic Preservation Office.Jaysen said okay corrected. Jaysen asked the question for the Salt Lake City Arts Council Board are their members? Kathy said yes,we are board members.Jaysen said okay.And then for the others we just added the language committee. Jaysen said I am going to share my screen and you can take a look and see if everything looks correct. The Committee asked Jaysen to edit C point 4, it should read "one committee member who is a licensed landscape architect".Jaysen said okay sounds good. Catherine said I'll read it out loud for those who maybe can't see it. B. Members of the committee should either be city residents,own or work for a legal entity located within Salt Lake City,or have a demonstrable history of substantive work on projects within Salt Lake City. C.The composition of the(8)appointed voting members of the City and County Building Conservancy and Use Committee shall be as follows: 1.One committee member who is a licensed architect; 2.One committee member who is either: i. a staff member of Preservation Utah;or ii. recommended for the position of committee member by Preservation Utah; 3.One committee member who is either: 3 i. a member of the Salt Lake City Arts Council Board;or ii. recommended for the position of committee member by the Salt Lake City Arts Council Board; 4.One committee member who is a licensed landscape architect; 5.One committee member who is either: i. a staff member of the Utah State Historic Preservation Office; or ii. recommended for the position of committee member by the Utah State Historic Preservation Office; 6.One committee member who is a licensed engineer;and 7.Two(2)at large committee members. Catherine asked do we have any other points of conversation on this.Jenny said on the first page section 2.39.030 it needs capitalized for City and County Building Conservancy and Use Committee. It's capitalized above on the first page but starting at 2.39.030, point A and point C, it's not capitalized.The committee asked Jaysen to show it capitalized consistency throughout the document.Jaysen said alright I can do that. Does everything else look good.The committee members said yes it should be.Jaysen said I'll go ahead and get those capitalized,and I'll send that out.The committee members thanked Jaysen. Agenda Item 4: Review for Approval Chandelier Globe Replacement Options Sean said yeah,so that's not entirely correct in that the approval has already happened out in the field by Travis.This is just more for your information.Out in the hallway here on the Fifth floor by the restrooms,while the contractor was performing some of the work there.They broke some of the globes on the chandeliers and we had a hard time finding replacements.We located a supplier who could make us made-to-order globes that could replica the pattern that was on the original globes.So,when we walk the building, you can take a glance over at the chandelier by the restrooms,and compare it to the chandelier in the center of the hallway. I think they turned out really well.The globes are slightly larger. I think a half inch or so larger than the ones that were there before. Catherine asked have we purchased extras to keep on reserved.Travis explained not all of the globes were broken,only a few, but we replaced all broken globes on the one chandelier,and the extra ones we purchased can be used for other chandeliers,and there are more available that Josh can purchase. Catherine asked regarding the non-broken,Josh,do you feel like you're set to have a couple more breaks in the future.Josh said I hope not. Karilyn said it was hard to find but the ones we found with the replicated pattern look really good.So,take a look when you are out there and see what you think.Catherine said we are glad that you have that one all wrapped up. Agenda Item 5: Review for Approval Proposed Council Chamber&COW Gates Catherine asked can you remind me what COW stands for.Josh said COW stands for Council of Whole. Karilyn said this is the COW workroom proposed gate layout.This is the new layout I created because the desk and tables cannot be moved due to the PA system wiring that goes up onto the furniture to operate. So, I had to redesign the layout without moving the existing furniture.So now the gate is facing North and intrudes into the front face of that table there.The Council reviewed this and didn't say anything about it. But I don't know if it's an ideal location. Because the Council is losing this space in front of the table. Catherine said all of the layout of the existing furniture we will be able to see when we do the walkthrough of the building. But I think we need to understand if the furniture pieces are fixed to the ground or are they movable.Josh said none of them are mounted. But due to the PA system the table&desk cannot be arranged because there's cables coming up from the floor into the table.So,the table&desk really doesn't have much leeway. But they are not fixed,they could be moved but the PA system restricts that. Sean asked that's a raised floor,correct? Josh said yes,the floor is raised. But the desk is so big, I mean;you could break it down. But it's very large. Karilyn said so the Y shaped desk furniture is where the Council sit.And what they want is to elongate the desk 4 feet.We're thinking of using the same kind of granite to match what's existing.This sample is the best match I found.And place the new granite up against the old granite by removing that piece in the middle that is framing the granite,and then just finish it to the border of the new area.The other table on the other side of the room is an 8-foot table with the wood matching the other table. And I think this table is where the mayor wants to sit down. Karilyn said I have proposed to have the gate here in front of the table and have about 3 posts over here on the walled area. Kind of tied to go underneath the table.And the table is a mid-century style table.So, I wanted to have more simplified lines for the gate. I was thinking, maybe just make this post kind of a similar finish as the molding and the table is in the corners and just replicate those there and then have the same type of wood finish. 4 Travis said yes but the table is a style& rail, right?We would want to have the infill on the wall,style and rail. He explained the desk is style and rail with paneling fill. So,we would want the wall to be style and rail with the paneling in the iso. Because your drawing shows a smooth panel on the gate and the wall. Karilyn said yes there will be a paneled gate, it is not smooth.The issue is it is tight over here at the gate, because I was told we couldn't move the table,and I had to place the gate facing north.And I wanted to make sure you guys want to keep moving forward on this. Kathy asked what's the purpose of this gate.The committee members said they were told previously that the gate was to keep people from going back behind the desk.Josh said they were entertaining the thought of putting a ballistic sheet in the panels of the desk as a sheltering spot.And the gate was just to be a deterrent.That was the original thought.The committee members asked weren't they going to do something on the other end,too.Josh said yes,they were talking about it, but the mayor didn't want it. Karilyn said she was told the mayor wants the ability to escape out this way on her side,and then the Council will go out the other side,and the gate on the council side would just give shelter to escape, because I mean, it's doesn't even have a lock, it has a latch, but it just swings back&forth.Josh said to be honest. I don't think the COW gates is going to happen.They just wanted to get it approved in case they decided to do it.They're kind of leaning away from it. But the gate in the Chamber they definitely want to do. Catherine said It seems to me that there's some pieces of the logic behind this that maybe this committee isn't understanding. What's the Council&Security's train of thought here. Kathy said in a courtroom they have gates like that all the time,that have no real latch on them at all. It just swings back and forth when you go through the gate. It's there as a sign of respect that you just don't proceed unless you are allowed,so I can understand that they maybe want to have that visual barricade, but it seems silly to have one on one end and not on the other. Josh mentioned Nate,the head of security for the city, primary concern is just to keep the public from walking behind there. Because there's a group called,the First Amendment Crusaders, I think that's their name. If they go to a public building and they start filming. Technically,they can go wherever they want to go if there's no gates or doors limiting access.So that was the thought process initially.To be honest the Council is not a fan of the gate anymore. The committee members discussed this and thought this needs further study possibly bringing members of the Council and Nate from Security to come and discuss this proposed COW gate at a committee meeting to come up with a better solution to what they are wanting to do in this space and work together to come up with a functional layout.to meet their security needs.Sean said I would suggest reaching out to Nathan,Security Manager for the city,to determine if this is really something that we're trying to address right now. I think we should just table this and come back to it when we have better direction from others. But the Formal Chambers gate in the Council Chambers they still want. Josh concurred;we should spend more energy on that room. Karilyn said for the Council Chambers the gate is located on the south side of the dais.This is the gate I'm proposing over here on the floor plan. I am showing the elevation. I've measured this area and felt the best way was maybe to put a bigger panel on the wall as noted in drawing Number 3. So that the outside frame of the gate can swing pass. Travis said typically when you have something dead end into a style and rail panel system, it lands on a style. And if the style happens to be fatter, make it land on it, instead of the panel. Karilyn said the problem is that we want to put it center on that column that is there on the dais, and it doesn't quite hit the center of the style.So that is why I decided to widen the panel. Karen said I think you should redo that and do what Travis said. It wouldn't be symmetrical, but you would still land on a style. Catherine said I think this is a good candidate for us to look at,when we walk through the building. Because it's really a lot easier to understand,when looked at from both sides.And be able to see what makes the best sense. I think there's also something to be said about not modifying any existing paneling that's there and dealing with an imperfect solution. I remember previously when Rob Pett and I were looking at this,we had come up with a solution where we would land on one of the rails on the wall and enter and hit on the other side,at a not perfect location, but an acceptable location. So,we should go and look at it. Karilyn said when Rob was here,what we were discussing was he wanted the gate centered.And if this is designed centered with 2 posts,one on each side of the door, it doesn't mean ADA requirements.So, I thought this is how I would do it, because it has to be functional, and it has to work for everybody. It needs to meet ADA regardless if it's historical or not. Catherine said making it ADA and offsetting the gate is a separate issue.The committee member asked,do we know if these panels are original. Karilyn asked how old is the millwork, is that historical?Travis said so on the wall,some of that is original.The dais, I don't think so. The committee then asked what the actual gate looks like. Karilyn said the gate is shown in number one on the floor plan. I've laid it out with a horizontal panel on the top and 2 panels in the bottom taking the idea of the actual doors that are in there.And this panel over here is mimicking what is on front of the dais.The committee members thought the styles and rails fit but 5 it was where the gate dies into the wall. One other option, as we have seen in courtrooms,where the gates are freestanding and they have 2 posts, and then whatever millwork is there, it just passes, slides on by.And there's no relation to what is next to the wall or paneling.There is a 2-inch gap.And I know that they want to make it bullet resistance.So is a 2-inch gap going to be an issue there, maybe. The committee asked is this a raised flooring system.Josh said it's not raised there. It's raised where you go up on top of the dais,there is a step there after you go through the gate. Catherine said so do we have the option to anchor into the structural footprint.Josh said it's just concrete you could do a metal post.Catherine said it might be more cost effective,too,then we won't harm the existing millwork or panel. Catherine said I'm just looking at this plan, not to bring another issue. But we have the same issue here where we are shown a gate on the left-hand side,and nothing on the right-hand side.And if in the future they wanted to do something to make it more symmetric or something on the right-hand side. If it were something freestanding.that might be more easily able to adapt to an unusual configuration. Sean said if you scroll down a little bit. On the right side those 2 seats there, I believe that's where the mayor sits. Josh confirmed the mayor sits there, but there's actually only one chair.This is a fairly large area.And the mayor can step behind where the council members are.The recorder sits here on the floor. It would be really hard to gate that off on the floor and make it look good. Karilyn said this area at the back steps up to the council members this space was reserved in case there was ever a time when a council member needed a wheelchair.They could put in a ramp there for a wheelchair. Josh said they also want to open the press area at some point.This is something coming down the line, but they want to get rid of this,which is going to be hard, because this is a higher elevation right here. Karilyn said,yeah because the press area is on a raised box right there,and I don't know what it has inside, but they wanted to put in some type of gate through there. But I said,you have chairs,and the box and you don't have clearance there.And it's a different height,so you need a step unless you make everything flat and take those steps out over there.Travis asked and this gate would have a latch, right?Karilyn said yeah. Travis said If you didn't have a closer you could get away with not having the adjacent ADA. Karilyn said that's true. I had a solution but where the gate actually dies, it's actually in the style. If it was in the middle of this raised style over here,then it didn't die into the column.So, when I tried to line it up in the corner,what happened is you'd have to go underneath this molding over here.And the gates is actually lower,so if you raised it to the same level of the whole railing it looks bad, and does not make sense. Travis said yeah then the heights are off. Sean said after the meeting are you visiting the council workroom first on the tour.Catherine said I think my thought would be that we the visit to the Council Chamber as part of the tour with whoever wants to stay for tour so we could go look at this in person,which will give us another vantage point for this project.And meet with the Council &Nate to determine what they really want regarding the COW gate. Karilyn said so, I wasn't expecting this to be approved today. I just wanted to get with the committee have you guys look at it and give your thoughts and suggestions and then we take the information and apply those ideas to make this work.So, I will continue to work on this project with the comments I have received today. Agenda Item 6: Discuss Progress of Potential Committee Member Recruits Catherine said we need to discuss potential new committee member recruits and making certain that we don't end up with vacancies on the committee. Kathy asked can we discuss the potential recruits while we're walking around for the tour. Laura said the recruitment discussion needs to be recorded so that will have to be done here. Catherine asked so could we discuss the committee member recruits now and keep it really brief.The committee members all agreed to continue. Catherine said I had requested this recruitment spreadsheet Laura created, because my primary concern is making certain we have the number of members we need.As you'll see on the chart that we have 1 person whose term expires in April and several other people with terms that are expiring in July.And we want to make certain that we can continue to make a quorum for the committee meetings.And make certain that we don't have vacancies.So,this chart indicates what the qualifications are for each person's seat.Who do we have lined up to fill it and making certain we're making progress so that we don't have any vacancies. So,starting with Travis as a licensed architect,we have a good long time before we have to discuss it. For myself, as a licensed engineer we have a good long time before we have to discuss it. The first one is Jenny Hale,who's a licensed landscape architect.Jenny said I have someone. Do you want me to just send the information to you. Laura said yes, if you want to send me their email and phone number.Jenny said I will send you an email. His name is Mark Morris. Catherine asked and Mark expressed interest.Jenny said yes, I talked with him. Catherine said and to replace Barbara as a member at large.We have Karen Ferguson attending today,who is sending in an application, and we invited her to come to do our walk through today.Travis said Karen's application has been sent in. Catherine 6 said oh, it has been sent in,great.So many of us here could give a number of accolades for Karen, but she is eminently qualified for the position. And then John Kemp, unfortunately, he's not here today. So, I guess, leave that for the next time. And then Anne Oliver,don't know, are you still on the line? Laura said she is still online. Catherine asked do you have any status updates. Laura said I can tell you where we are with Caitlyn. I have talked to her.She is interested.She's filling out the application. Once received I will be giving it to the Director for his review and he'll submit it to the mayor.So that's where we're at. Robyn reminded me Caitlyn goes by they/them. Laura said okay sorry they/them. Catherine said I spoke with somebody; I think that Anne had also mentioned earlier as a potential candidate. He's another architect, Matt Wallace. I spoke with him a few weeks back. I ran into him at an organization,and he could fill the position of member at large for John Kemp, but we had expressed the idea that we might want someone with a contracting background in that position.And so that's the only question is if John has a good contractor that he would recommend filling that position.Travis said the name I had previously given before was Steven Burt,which didn't meet the previous criteria. But after today's meeting with the changes to the Ordinance would meet the criteria now. Catherine said perfect. Have you reached out.Would you like to reach out to them and see if they're interested.Travis asked Is that something that John, I mean, does the person leaving make that suggestion to fill it?Jenny said usually. I would just talk to John about it.Just to make sure he doesn't have someone else in mind.Travis yeah,if he doesn't have someone mind then that would be someone I suggest. But I would want him to make the recommendation. Catherine said I would suggest, if you don't mind Travis,just email John.Travis said okay, I'll do that.Jenny mentioned we usually don't have vacancies.We're kind of stuck until we get someone to replace us. Catherine said I just wanted to make certain that we don't have to cancel any meetings.Are there any other items to discuss on the new recruits. Agenda Item 7:Other Building Projects or Updates Catherine said are there any other announcements.Sean said I don't think there are any other building projects or updates. Agenda Item 8: Salt Lake City&County Building Walk Through Catherine said this is one of the main agenda items for this meeting is to have the committee members walk through the building and we are trying to respect Jerod's time and not keep this meeting too long.Catherine said alright with that said can we adjourn the meeting. Laura mentioned in order to do the adjournment,then we need to do a motion. Catherine asked may I please have a motion to adjourn the meeting. Kathy Davis motioned to adjourn the meeting. Catherine asked,do I have a second. Robyn Taylor-Granda seconded the motion. The Committee unanimously voted to adjourn. The Meeting adjourned and then the Committee Members did a walk-through of Salt Lake City&County Building.Starting at the Council Chamber room, looking at the area where the proposed gate is going to be placed.All the committee members felt that the gate should be attached to 2 freestanding columns constructed with 2 metal posts securely anchored to the concrete and wrapped in wood millwork matching the existing millwork.The posts should not be attached to either the dais or wall paneling. Catherine said the post should have an engineer involved in the project to ensure the post secured to the concrete meet code requirements for the gate.The committee is tabling the council chamber gate proposal for further plans&spec drawings with the committee's recommended changes. The committee members continued their tour of the building. Committee members listened to Jerod Johnson,guest visitor,whose company was involved in the placement of the earthquake isolator system located in the basement of the building.Jerod said back in the 1980's the city was actually thinking about getting rid of the building because the building was in such a state of disrepair,with scaffolding permanently erected around the building. It was in really bad shape. But fortunately,the city was able to get funding of$30 million to do the repairs and retrofit the building. Owing to the architectural character of this great building. Previously to stabilize this type of building,they would have had to bring in a lot of concrete. Because this is a massively heavy building and that would have been what it was going to take to restore the building. But there was a new technology called seismic base isolation.The idea being that you physically decouple the building from the ground that when the 7 ground shakes the building just kind of floats above it.So that shaking doesn't propagate up into the building. It was a really progressive thing to do at the time. In fact,to this day the suppliers of the base isolators,which we are going to look at,the company maintains this is the first existing historic building in the world with a seismic base isolation system as their primary method of its rehabilitation. And the benefit of that was,they concluded that they did not need to do anything else to the building.All that work was done at the foundation,so they were able to maintain all of this historic character and architecture and not let that be compromised.The only exception to that is in the tower because the tower project so much higher and the seismic forces amplify the higher you go up in the building.So,you have a whole lot of red iron retrofit up there.Which you could see if you go up in the tower. We will be going to see those isolators under the building when we go down there in the basement.The isolators here are about 18 x 18 inches cubicle isolators&are about 17 inches tall. Up at the state capitol are isolators are about 34 inches on average there much larger,When Harvey Wright was on this committee back in 2007.Jacobsen Construction had just come off the construction. Harvey knowing everything that went on up there at the Capitol.And looking at the isolator going on here asked,what gives, how come the isolators here are this big and up at the Capitol there much bigger.And that's when Harry Brown, my old boss who is now retired, and I had discussions with the committee.And that's when I got talking about this and that's when I got really invested in this building and everything it is about.We did some very good investigative studies on this starting in 2007 and all the way through to 2012.A couple years after that Karen and I worked together doing a minor seismic upgrade with that isolation system. I will show you what that was basically about when we go down there.Coupled with that was the complete restoration of the fagade of this building.And that was the bulk of the project and Karen was right in the middle of all of that.And we were there as well to provide structural support. So, let's go down and look at those isolators. The committee members went to the basement and saw the isolator system.Then went up to the 51"floor and looked at the attic space accessed from the Attorney's office with the red iron work placed in the attic of the building for structural stability. And then reviewed each floor separately,starting at the 5t" floor and walked down to tour each floor until they reached the 151 floor of the building reviewing all the different architecture and characteristics of each floor of the building. 8