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06/10/2024 - Meeting Minutes SALT LAKE CITY JOINT TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD &BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING Minutes of the June 10, 2024 Meeting TAB Members present were Craig Buschmann, Johnnae Nardone, Jon Larsen, Josh Stewart, Matt Gray, Steve Wooldridge, and Suzanne Stensaas. TAB Members electronically present were Daniel Mendoza, Greg Sanchez, Justice Morath, and Miranda Bradshaw. TAB Members absent were Isaac Astill, John Close, and Julie Bjornstad. BAC Members present were Alla Chernenko, Martin Cuma, Matthew Morriss, and Sarah Johnson. BAC Members electronically present were Ben Trueman and Greta Sommerfeld. BAC Members absent were Ashley Lodmell, Laura Lewis, and Pat Casey. Also present was Becka Roolf, Jen Colby, Troy Saltiel, Mary Sizemore, Bert Granberg, Julianne Sabula, and Jeff Gulden. Also electronically present was Amy Lyons, Dave Iltis, Geoff Dupaix, and Heather McLaughlin-Kolb. The meeting was held electronically and was called to order at 4:31 p.m. by Suzanne Stensaas. Welcome and Member Introductions — Suzanne welcomed everyone and had everyone introduce themselves. Public Comment — Dave Iltis wanted to express opposition to more than one or two joint meetings between TAB and BAC per year. He feels BAC's voice is very different than TAB and they need to be heard without the influence of TAB or vice versa. The purview of the two groups is different and historically, almost no one from TAB attends the BAC meetings, it's usually the opposite. He said boo East is being redone between 400 South and South Temple and they are adding bike lanes which is great but asked that they please have as a default protected bike lanes followed by parking protected bike lanes followed by buffered bike lanes. They're also not putting bike lanes from 300 South to 400 South which is a missed opportunity to get to the family center in Trolley Square and travel north. There's no reason to not start the bike lane at 400 South, it should at least go to the shopping center there. It would be great to see Transportation have a much more forceful approach on everything from lane widths to speed limits and especially having the default of protected bike lanes. There hasn't been a single barrier protected bike lane put in SLC since 2015. It would be great to provide both BAC and TAB an update on striping from Streets. There are bike lanes that have remained Page 1 of 5 TAB/BAC 06-10-2024 Minutes unfinished for well over a year, some even close to two years. This shows once again that bikes take a second-class role to cars, and this would never happen with car lane striping. TAB, BAC, and Transportation need to get together and ask them what they're going to do to fix this. He said it would be great for Transportation to fix the goo South bike buttons so that traffic flow for bikes is smoother. He also said SLC has begun the process of changing out various speed limit signs across the city and some have been very nice but some of them still seem to be mystifyingly high and it'd be great to get an overall view of that from Transportation. Suzanne thanked Dave for his comments and reminded everyone that there should be answers to public comments at the end of the minutes. Jen Colby said she has lived in SLC for 20 years now and as Dave said, there hasn't been a protected bike lane put in in almost io years. She feels like the City is still not prioritizing cycling as a core primary transportation mode vs recreation or maybe commuting. She feels like we still have an utterly car dominated city, and everything is being done to minimize complaints from drivers. Until that network is laid out well, complete, and efficient, any bollards and signs can go a long way. She understands the rationale of following the Streets Division around and trying to do segments here and there,but some of these projects that are great to see on paper are coming in and the outcomes in her opinion are incredibly problematic. She's incredibly disappointed in goo South, especially the segment in the more densely populated area from the whale to downtown to 300 West. Drivers aren't used to seeing traffic coming in both directions, pedestrians are in the bike lanes, the bike lanes aren't wide enough, and they aren't connected to anything. If she wants to get to a business on the other side, there should be a bike lane on the street. SLC has huge wide roads and has plenty of room to bring in and give much more space to cycling. The construction projects are also overwhelming and if SLC is just going to put in more density without making streets safe and efficient with perhaps free bus service, they're just going to have more cars and then more parking issues. She said there is also far too much free parking. She said the Olympics coming is an incredible opportunity to leverage their goal and make those changes. Troy Saltiel said he agreed with a lot of what was said but there seems to be more connections, more quick builds, and more lanes going in. He said in North Central City where he lives, there is a big lack of north south bike lanes. He said if you go south of 500 South there's several bike lanes that go nowhere except those three blocks and maybe to the g-Line and north of that area, there's just nothing there. Martin Cuma reiterated their comments and said he also thinks the bike lane should go all the way to 400 South and that there should be continuous routes. Travel Trends in Salt Lake County: Utah Household Travel Survey Bert Granberg Bert introduced himself and said he leads the analytics group at the Wasatch Front Regional Council which is the planning organization for Salt Lake County north through the Brigham City metro area. He presented on the 2023 Statewide Household Travel Survey, also known as the Utah Moves Transportation Survey. This project had multiple partnerships and is a survey to collect the who, where, why, when and how of day-to-day travel among residents in a region. He summarized the type of data collected, how it was collected, and said they provided gift card incentives for participants. The primary reason for this survey is to inform their travel demand models regionally and statewide so they can forecast what type and quantity of trips they can expect to see in the future. They had almost io,000 households and nearly 1,400 university students who participated in the survey. He summarized the data they received and said they have Page 2 of 5 TABBAC 06-10-2024 Minutes completed their final report. The members discussed some of this data and were surprised that a majority who took the survey wanted more travel lanes. Greta thought perhaps those participants would benefit from knowledge of some of the studies that have been done on induced demand showing that adding more travel lanes does not solve congestion issues. Miranda asked if it would be beneficial to do a lighter weight survey more frequently than every 10 years. Bert said they are cost prohibitive,but they might try to do something in 5 years. Daniel wondered how much of people's preferences vs the models were used when building the travel model. Bert said it's a combination of popular opinion and observed data about people's travel characteristics that are used. Johnnae thinks people respond to the system that is built and it seems like they're using past behavior and building it into a sophisticated model that will just replicate the behavior again instead of changing it. Sarah wonders if this information will just reinforce the behavior that is happening because it will be built into models that will perpetuate the same car-centric environment they currently have. Bert said there is no requirement to assert changes in behavior, but the great thing about travel models is that they can do a lot of different scenario testing. Steve said there are a lot of people that come to SLC to work and play and how all those vehicles get in and out of the City needs to be considered. Bert said that statistically, the results are valid for Salt Lake County. This plan can be found at https://unifiedplan.org/household-travel-surveys/. Giving Input on Upcoming SLC Transportation Projects (2o25, 2o26) Jeff Gulden Transportation shared their upcoming work program, not including 2024 as those are already designed and are mostly out for bid. Becka said that while TAB and BAC used to have a lot of presentations from staff who were working on projects, now they are being steered more towards policy and design standards. Given these changes, Transportation still wants to make sure to keep that connection and then members can share updates during the report out section of their meeting. That way those who are interested in specific projects know when those are coming up and when the public process is so they can participate in what most matters to them rather than the entire Committee sitting through every presentation. Becka shared upcoming 2025 projects so TAB and BAC can provide feedback while those projects are in design. She is currently working on project selection for 2026. She shared a map of all the upcoming 2025 projects as well as a spreadsheet with more details of those projects on the map. Johnnae asked if there were guiding documents giving them unifying guiding principles that get implemented at every single one of these projects. Becka said that's the overall goal and something TAB can focus on, today she'd like to make sure everyone has the opportunity to be connected with individual projects that they care about. She briefly went over the listed projects and will share the spreadsheet with the members and get the names of people who are particularly interested in any specific projects. Motion: Josh motioned to adjourn the meeting; Craig seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 6:05 P.M. Meeting Chat Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 4:29 PM • There's a lot of echo and feedback right now, probably because people have their microphones one... Page 3 of 5 TAB/BAC 06-10-2024 Minutes Greg Sanchez 6/10/2024 4:39 PM • i am not experiencing that, Dave. Might be on your end, possibly. Greta Sommerfeld 6/10/2024 4:39 PM • side note- if you click"layout" on the WebEx and then uncheck "'automatically hide names" that'll keep our names over our videos - if that's helpful 0 Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 4:44 PM •Yes, there has been response, sometimes inadequate, sometimes ok. Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 4:47 PM • The idea of getting response from Transportation via the minutes is ok if the response is detailed and isn't a brush off. This sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 4:52 PM • Interesting that there is no opportunity for TAB or BAC members to discuss anything in the meetings as has been the practice for years. Why the change now? This is counter to the goals of the committees to be the eyes and ears for the city. Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 5:38 PM • So,where 2024 projects brought before TAB and BAC last year? Not clear that they were. 6/10/2024 5:39 PM •And, that's not a good thing to have those opportunities be closed, especially since Transportation's communication on individual projects is not good. Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 5:40 PM • Transportation needs to do a much better job of communicating when those project design opportunities exist. Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 5:44 PM •And with the public please. Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 5:47 PM • Wait, committee input is allowed but not by the public? Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 5:48 PM •And a reminder that loo S should have had bike lanes... Dave Iltis 6/10/2024 6:01 PM • Zebra protected bike lanes. 6/10/2024 6:02 PM • https://www.zicla.com/en/zebra-family/ Questions from the public comments. • Why isn't a bike lane being put in on 70o East between 300 South and 400 South? o We want to be careful about having bike lanes that abruptly end without any safe options. The other three legs of the 700 South/400 East intersection are all UDOT routes and they don't have plans to add bike lanes on those segments any time soon. We are exploring options to still provide bike access to the businesses between 300 S and 400 S, such as a wide shoulder that would function as an unmarked bike lane for that block. • Why are there still bike lanes that remain unfinished after over a year? o This is likely due to the difficulties related to removing parked cars prior to painting stripes. • Is there an overall view of why some speed limits remain so high? Page 4 of 5 TAB/BAC 06-10-2024 Minutes o We just finished an evaluation of streets throughout the city and lowered the speed limits, almost across the board. For the most part, collectors are now set at 25 mph and arterials at 30 mph. This was just implemented this spring. In many cases, posted speed limits are now well below the previous standard of the 85th percentile speed. Our top priority now is lowering the actual speeds by changing the design of the streets. Approved by the Transportation Advisory Board o8-05-24. Approved by the Bicycle Advisory Committee o8-19-24. Page 5 of 5 TAB/BAC 06-10-2024 Minutes